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This is going to take slightly longer than usual, Imgur's change in policy means I need to reupload all of the scans for long term stability
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please dont bring up infinite speed, that will be handled another time, and as for the earlier question, im not really sure if superhero keys will be added yet or if there will be gamma manga profiles.There is actually an interesting feat on the manga, where champa and vados travel by themself form the universe to the Kaioshin realm, so that’s should be an infinite speed feat even more blatant than the anime.
I prefer having it all already figured out in one go. Less questions and threads later on.BUMPPPP(We should honestly just put the tiers in since the scaling chain doesn’t affect actual tiering)
After applying this, will infinite speed be discussed?
that will come later, this is just about the scaling chainsAfter applying this, will infinite speed be discussed?
Yes. The anime at least, as a start.After applying this, will infinite speed be discussed?
I wonder should we handle toeiverse and dbs in seperate CRTs?Yes. The anime at least, as a start.
I wonder should we handle toeiverse and dbs in seperate CRTs?
Nah toeiverse is actually pretty consistent especially with the cooler stuffPeople might have the same problems with the Toeiverse
Nah toeiverse is actually pretty consistent especially with the cooler stuff
Where was it accepted that I.T has a time frame?Its already been discussed that the Cooler feats aren't infinite speed
When it showed him taking time to disappearWhere was it accepted that I.T has a time frame?
Yes, absolutely yes, two different scalings with different proofsI wonder should we handle toeiverse and dbs in seperate CRTs?
Thats just materialization, not the actual travel time.When it showed him taking time to disappear
And Cooler reacted to him rematerializing.Thats just materialization, not the actual travel time.
When it showed him taking time to disappear
And Cooler reacted to him rematerializing.
For sureIts already been discussed that the Cooler feats aren't infinite speed
Yeah, it shows him running
I've finished reuploading all of the scans for upto the Broly movie, I just need to finish the Moro arc and I can finally get back to scalingAny updates
Can you send your current scaling chain? If you have it startedI've finished reuploading all of the scans for upto the Broly movie, I just need to finish the Moro arc and I can finally get back to scaling
Unfortunately I haven't read too deep into the Granolah saga, so I only have:Can you send your current scaling chain? If you have it started
It's worth noting that Toyotaro stated that Pre-Wish Granolah and Gas were 'probably' stronger than the Ginyu Force and definitely stronger than Nappa (5:16). He does also overall scale them to Abo & Kado but their power is a bit vague and they are considered non-canon.Unfortunately I haven't read too deep into the Granolah saga, so I only have:
Huh neat, so I guess "At least Planet level, possibly Large Star level"It's worth noting that Toyotaro stated that Pre-Wish Granolah and Gas were 'probably' stronger than the Ginyu Force and definitely stronger than Nappa (5:16). He does also overall scale them to Abo & Kado but their power is a bit vague and they are considered non-canon.
Does that refer to the entire force?It's worth noting that Toyotaro stated that Pre-Wish Granolah and Gas were 'probably' stronger than the Ginyu Force and definitely stronger than Nappa (5:16). He does also overall scale them to Abo & Kado but their power is a bit vague and they are considered non-canon.
Checking around there was actually a thread for this where people (including staff) were agreeing with it but...the revision never passed? Probably due to lack of attention? Might be worth bringing that back up again because Pre-Wish Gas and Granolah should be High 5-A.
Toyo simply says 'the Ginyu Force' and then iterates that he'd put them on par with Abo & Kado (who were said to be Freeza-level by Tarble, probably 1st Form Freeza). To keep things simple I'd just say 'Above Captain Ginyu' and leave it at that.Does that refer to the entire force?
Man, thanks a damn lot. You're basically carrying the manga revision.Alright I've finally finished fixing all of the links for each saga's scaling, I'm now going to do the scaling for the Granolah arc
BumpSo far I have this for granolah saga
Granolah (SSBE vegeta downscales << from granolah) << UE Vegeta and PUI Goku (Start of granolah arc) = Granolah RPL ~ SSB Goku (kinda healed) < 2 red eye Granolah ~ UE Vegeta rematch < Powered by Dragon Balls Gas <<< Instincts Liberated Gas = held back Awakened Gas > SSB Goku (post zenkai) << UE Vegeta and PUI Goku << Awakened Gas < Goku "TUI" < Old gas < UE Vegeta TUI Goku (Post heal) << PUI Goku (End of arc) < even older Gas (he flew right through both their attacks even if his body is brittle) < buff gas <<< Black Freiza
AgreeAlright I just finished the Granolah / Gas arc
- *Goku: Has been training every day to unlock Ultra Instinct while still in base form. When tapping into Ultra Instinct while in SSJ God, he was outpacing a casual clone of Granolah.,
- *Vegeta: Has been training every day to master God of Destruction power. Vaporized a blast from Granolah, when beginning to tap into GoD energy. Continuously grew stronger over the course of his and Granolah’s fight, eventually being able to barely fight against Granolah, but was easily overpowered
- Perfect Ultra Instinct Goku: When in perfect Ultra Instinct, he had no vital points to be targeted according to Granolah’s clone, easily overpowered Granolah’s clone
- Ultra Ego Vegeta: Began overwhelming the real Granolah, and continuously got stronger with every blow tanked.
- Post Saiyan awakening Goku: Has regained his memories and gained understanding of Saiyan pride. By combining his Ultra Instinct Sign with his rage, he fought with Awakened Gas and was slightly stronger. By briefly tapping into Perfect UI, easily restrained Full power Gas
- Post Saiyan pride awakening Vegeta: Has obtained a better understanding of Saiyan pride. In Ultra Ego he eventually grew strong enough to heavily harm Awakened Gas
- *Monaito: Had a power level of 213, making him superior to the Dragon Ball cast during the 22nd Buddokai and comparable to the King Piccolo saga
- *Pre-wish Granolah: Likely stronger than Monaito, who had a powerlevel of 213. Likely comparable to Flayk, a Cerealian that destroyed the moon. Likely comparable to his mother, who could break Bardock's shoulder pauldron and slightly cut him. Stated to be stronger than Nappa and the Ginyu force, and around the level of Abo and Kado according to Toyotarou (4:15 mark)
- *Post-wish Granolah: Using the Cerelian Dragon Balls, he became the strongest warrior in the Universe. In his clone body he easily overwhelmed SSJ God Goku, later matching SSJ Blue Goku in raw strength after powering up. His real body knocked out Perfect UI Goku with a vital shot, easily overpowered SSJB Evolution Vegeta.
- *Dual sniper eyes Granolah: Beginning to unlock both of his eyes, Granolah began to match Ultra Ego Vegeta and drew blood from him, after fully unlocking his eyes he shot through a blast from Vegeta. By using a charged ki blast on a vital point he was capable of harming post-wish Gas. By sacrificing his life span, he could heavily wound full power post-wish Gas
- *Bardock: Effortlessly caught an attack from Monaito, who had a powerlevel of 213. After breaking his limits he managed to defeat unrestricted pre-wish Gas
- *Pre-wish Gas: Stronger than pre-wish Granolah, could stop a blast from Bardock. Stated to be stronger than Nappa and the Ginyu force, and around the level of Abo and Kado according to Toyotarou (4:15 mark)
- Post-wish Gas: After deciding to use his new strength, stomped dual eye Granolah
- Unrestrained post-wish Gas: Thoroughly stomped dual eye Granolah.
- Awakened Gas: After focusing his power, casually shattered both of Granolah’s arms, stronger than an unfocused PUI Goku and initial UE Vegeta
- Full Power Gas: By sacrificing his life force, he easily overpowered UI Sign Goku
- Frieza: Has been training extensively for nearly 10 years, in Black Frieza he oneshot full power Gas and a fully recovered UI Sign Goku and UE Vegeta