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PB said that Responsibility Demands Sacrifice. I am sacrificing my braincells in this thread.
Hello everyone.
Succeeding the first failed thread (part 12), it's my first time tackling tier 2 AT.
Now I didn't actually want to make this based on the fact that I hate anything involving tier 2, but due to recent events I'm intrigued to do so.
Edit:
The Cosmic Imagination is the dream of a dreamer in an alternate reality. Akin to how a dreamer dreams the existence of Prismo.
People are capable of dreaming universes into existence.
The multiverse of Adventure Time is an infinite multiverse.
Source of above is the Enchiridion.
Seems simple enough.
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Finn made a black hole that transcended Space and Time, then he made a sword capable of destroying it.
Simple enough
Later we see the dimension get destroyed when he wakens.
After that, we get a scene of Finn confirming that it was a dream.
Why isn't this just a regular dream?
Well in Adventure Time, there is no such thing as a regular dream.
And this will be explained in the next part
These dreams are very real. Very very real. The only thing specifically making them "dreams" is the person's existence in them.
This is shown in how the Cosmic Owl pulled Gunter out of the dream she was in, and the dream still existed. Or how the owl enters and exits dreams and they still exist.
Or when the Gunter dream figure specifically is blown away (Gunter wakes up) but the dream space still exists.
This is fully shown with Finn, as the owl wakes him up, removing him from the dreamscape, but going back to sleep puts him in that same dimension.
"it might be similar"
We see the cosmic owl going into his room after Finn comes back to the dream.
The dream space is real. Every dream is another reality.
Now, a dream that was shown to be another universe is in...
But we find out in the Fionna and Cake series that its actually another universe that was created.
Eventually, Prismo noted that he wasn't allowed to make universes for himself. So what he did was place their universe in his imagination.
Because Ice King's magic was removed from his body, the magic sustaining that universe was gone, changing the dimension and everybody in it.
Basically, Ice King's powers sustained the existence of an entire universe. When the magic was gone, the dimension was too.
Disclaimer. The Catalyst Comets do not have tier 2 kinetic energy, so people don't scale just for withstanding it or stopping it.
In his first showing, he managed to fully grasp the actual comet. Later, he fought G4, and lost.
So he initially combatted G4 without the full power of the comet, but this is just supporting the next fact.
Orgalorg blatantly absorbed the power of the comet.
Did he absorb the entirety of its power? No. But it managed to absorb a decent amount of it.
And as we know, people who scale to partially 2-A, scale to 2-A. You don't scale to partial infinity.
That's that.
Will original Orgalorg scale to that? Through different methods, but the Grass Sword chopping up the tendrils absorbing the power show that the Grass Sword scales to that.
Wizard City
This stretches to the "tiny bit of dark magic" used by Pep But, who created that egg with dark magic.
In the Farmworld universe, the Lich fought Farmworld Finn.
Now, he's not omniscient. But this would scale him above the Ancient Psychic Tandem War Elephant.
Now, before the "he doesn't know who that is", he read the Enchiridion, which has Eli in there. He also knows of a bunch of events that happen in Ooo, as his encyclopedia has a bunch of creatures he wasn't even in Ooo to see, meaning his source of information is pretty much from the reader's eyes as well.
He'd scale to Coconteppi. He'd know about him as well due to existing since time immemorial and knowing he'd exist.
He'd scale to the Lich too, for being his rival and all. The Lich would scale to him too.
Come Along With Me, S10E13
With the amount of people that actually have feats or direct scaling to 2-A, it's very consistent in the long run.
Those who scale to/from them will be 2-A.
Agree: KingTempest, Planck69, Dalesean027, DemonGodMitchAubin, ssgengar, CloverDragon03, Eseseso, Greatsage13th, Harith0cell, Nullflowerblush, Mamaroza, Flowerguy2, Js250476, TyranoDoom30, Galvino, Aolphl, ProfectusInfinity, HammerStrikes219, E6pire, Kachon123, Floxy178, Tr&Lokumu
Disagree:
Neutral: Damage3245
PB said that Responsibility Demands Sacrifice. I am sacrificing my braincells in this thread.
Hello everyone.
Succeeding the first failed thread (part 12), it's my first time tackling tier 2 AT.
Now I didn't actually want to make this based on the fact that I hate anything involving tier 2, but due to recent events I'm intrigued to do so.
Proposition
I propose to scale a handful of characters to 2-A.Edit:
Now it's either Low 2-C or 2-A
The Cosmology
The cosmology of adventure time is the existence of the Cosmic Imagination, which in itself is the multiverse.The Cosmic Imagination is the dream of a dreamer in an alternate reality. Akin to how a dreamer dreams the existence of Prismo.
People are capable of dreaming universes into existence.
The multiverse of Adventure Time is an infinite multiverse.
Source of above is the Enchiridion.
Seems simple enough.
The Tier 2 Feats
Although the reality of adventure time is insanely large and powerful, it's not indestructible. In fact, many people scale to the power of the entire multiverse.Evergreen's Crown
Evergreen, S6E24
Seems simple enough.
The support to this is in the same episode with the statement below
Showing that Darren scales to this.
Now with just words you can say "huhhh we don't know what would actually happen muahahaha" whatever.
We see in the actual scene that the multiverse's universes just pop, signifying them being destroyed.
And Finn also says this
It was so strong that it blew up.
Pretty much everything here
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Supported when Finn says that Orgalorg (who planned to absorb the comet) was gonna do this
The Comet, S6E43
Specifically based on the wording though, just like what Amelia said above.
The Catalyst Comet is also capable of destroying the time room, which houses the Clock Titans. Destroying the time room means destroying them, which is 2-A.
Evergreen, S6E24
Wish Magic is insanely powerful magic. The Ice King's Crown is founded on Wish Magic. And the danger of a specific wish is capable of causing irreversible damage to the structure of existence itself.
Seems simple enough.
Darren's Potential Power
Something Big, S6E10Darren states that he can deliver destruction so thorough that every reality is affected.
The support to this is in the same episode with the statement below
And when he says this, he powers up an energy beam.
Showing that Darren scales to this.
Vampire King's Essence
Checkmate, S7E12The pure vampire essence of the vampire king is strong enough to pretty much body reality.
Clock Titans
Prismo The Wishmaster, F&CE4They manipulate the passage of time by beating on each other.
Farmworld Finn Destroys Reality
Crossover, S7E23So Farmworld Finn was capable of bodying the multiverse alongside the Enchiridion.
Now with just words you can say "huhhh we don't know what would actually happen muahahaha" whatever.
We see in the actual scene that the multiverse's universes just pop, signifying them being destroyed.
And Finn also says this
His plan was wrong. But it shows that they interpreted Prismo's words as "people will die throughout the multiverse".
Peppermint Butler's Egg
Wizard CityYeah Peppermint Butlet's egg is weirdly powerful because of the dark magic it's imbued with that it strengthened itself to a point where it's beyond space-time.
It was so strong that it blew up.
Catalyst Comet
The EnchiridionPretty much everything here
A few Adventure Time downgrades/upgrades.
First of all, the AP changes. Attack Potency Several characters are rated at Mountain level for scaling off of The Ice King and Flame Princess. This is due to at least three notable feats. -The two created and destroyed Mountains during their clashes in Frost and Fire. -The Ice King created a...
And we see even more about that when it says the Catalyst Comet will bring the end of existence.
Supported when Finn says that Orgalorg (who planned to absorb the comet) was gonna do this
The Comet, S6E43
On top of that, when the Catalyst Comet merges Martin with the universe, the Enchiridion goes in depth about it. It actually merges people with the Cosmic Imagination, which is 2-A.
Specifically based on the wording though, just like what Amelia said above.
The Catalyst Comet is also capable of destroying the time room, which houses the Clock Titans. Destroying the time room means destroying them, which is 2-A.
More Tier-2 Feats
Finn's 4d Sword
Finn The Human 2C upgrade
Finn created a black hole beyond space and time, for this reason it is considered as a low multiverse level feat, this black hole is considered as 4 dimensional, this dimension scope is 4D, the black hole he created goes beyond space and time gives him a 2C feat."Everything little is a little...
Finn made a black hole that transcended Space and Time, then he made a sword capable of destroying it.
Simple enough
Finn Dreaming Puhoy
Through out the episode of "Puhoy", Finn is placed in an alternate Pillow Universe where he lives decades of his life in there.Later we see the dimension get destroyed when he wakens.
After that, we get a scene of Finn confirming that it was a dream.
Meaning he dreamed the universe into existence.
Why isn't this just a regular dream?
Well in Adventure Time, there is no such thing as a regular dream.
And this will be explained in the next part
Cosmic Owl's Dream Dimensions
The Cosmic Owl is shown in hoots to have the capability to enter peoples' dreams.These dreams are very real. Very very real. The only thing specifically making them "dreams" is the person's existence in them.
This is shown in how the Cosmic Owl pulled Gunter out of the dream she was in, and the dream still existed. Or how the owl enters and exits dreams and they still exist.
Or when the Gunter dream figure specifically is blown away (Gunter wakes up) but the dream space still exists.
This is fully shown with Finn, as the owl wakes him up, removing him from the dreamscape, but going back to sleep puts him in that same dimension.
"it might be similar"
We see the cosmic owl going into his room after Finn comes back to the dream.
The dream space is real. Every dream is another reality.
Now, a dream that was shown to be another universe is in...
Fionna and Cake's dimension.
This dimension is originally shown in the Fionna and Cake episode of Adventure Time as one of Ice Kings (and others) stories.But we find out in the Fionna and Cake series that its actually another universe that was created.
Eventually, Prismo noted that he wasn't allowed to make universes for himself. So what he did was place their universe in his imagination.
Because Ice King's magic was removed from his body, the magic sustaining that universe was gone, changing the dimension and everybody in it.
Basically, Ice King's powers sustained the existence of an entire universe. When the magic was gone, the dimension was too.
How Do People Scale?
These are not isolated incidents in the slightest.Orgalorg
Orgalorg consistently scales to the Catalyst Comets, although not fully.Disclaimer. The Catalyst Comets do not have tier 2 kinetic energy, so people don't scale just for withstanding it or stopping it.
In his first showing, he managed to fully grasp the actual comet. Later, he fought G4, and lost.
So he initially combatted G4 without the full power of the comet, but this is just supporting the next fact.
Orgalorg blatantly absorbed the power of the comet.
Did he absorb the entirety of its power? No. But it managed to absorb a decent amount of it.
And as we know, people who scale to partially 2-A, scale to 2-A. You don't scale to partial infinity.
That's that.
Will original Orgalorg scale to that? Through different methods, but the Grass Sword chopping up the tendrils absorbing the power show that the Grass Sword scales to that.
Coconteppi
Coconteppi is stated to be magic's original power.Wizard City
So his power would scale above the power of pretty much all magic, including Darren and Evergreen's Crown.
This stretches to the "tiny bit of dark magic" used by Pep But, who created that egg with dark magic.
Marceline
Marceline directly absorbed the Vampire King's essence, instead of just weirdly absorbing him like before.Ancient Psychic Tandem War Elephant
Matched a beam from Darren. Ellie also existed back during the time of Darren's ancient time, and should scale to that time of constant war that apparently could **** up all of reality.The Lich
The Lich is stated to be the second most powerful evil entity in all of the Ooo universe, scaling him above Darren and Coconteppi.In the Farmworld universe, the Lich fought Farmworld Finn.
Hunson Abadeer
Abadeer states that he's pretty much the most powerful force to be reckoned with.Now, he's not omniscient. But this would scale him above the Ancient Psychic Tandem War Elephant.
Now, before the "he doesn't know who that is", he read the Enchiridion, which has Eli in there. He also knows of a bunch of events that happen in Ooo, as his encyclopedia has a bunch of creatures he wasn't even in Ooo to see, meaning his source of information is pretty much from the reader's eyes as well.
He'd scale to Coconteppi. He'd know about him as well due to existing since time immemorial and knowing he'd exist.
He'd scale to the Lich too, for being his rival and all. The Lich would scale to him too.
GOLB
GOLB is stated to be the the most powerful force in the universe in S10E13Come Along With Me, S10E13
Actual Scaling Chain
Now the actual scaling chain to tie this into the regular scaling. Bold are people with feats of 2-A, italicized are people with direct immediate scaling to 2-A.
Finn chops up (2-A) Orgalorg's Vines from his insides with the Grass Vine. Finn w/ Grass Vine scales relative via cutting the vines and slicing up his thin stellar 2-A body.
Finn smacks (2-A) Farmworld Finn with (2-A) Grass Vine, scales to Farmworld Finn's dura and AP.
Grass Vine (2-A) becomes Fern by merging with the Finn Sword. Fern scales.
The Lich fights Farmworld Finn (2-A). His hand gets chopped off and is split through the multiverse.
Later key Finn fights Fern (2-A), and the Lich hand (2-A) is capable of fighting Finn and Fern (2-A).
Grumbo melts Finn's Small Sword (2-A), and the Grass Knight Fern (2-A) is stronger than Grumbo.
Orgalorg (2-A) fights Grob Gob Glob Grod. He scales.
Finn w/ Night Sword (who'd already scale to 2-A) gets his sword infused with Abadeer's (2-A) dark magic and fights Grass Knight Fern.
Gunter scales slightly behind by holding his own with Flamicorn and slapping Abadeer (2-A), 2 consistent feats, Orgalorg's regular AP upscales from that and he'd be in the ballpark of the other Primordials.
Then the same scaling we have. Gumball Guardians boom the Lich (2-A). Susan absorbs their energy. Grass Sword (2-A) takes over and bodies her.
Then those who scale to Finn who fought Fern. GOLB's goons scale to Marceline and Finn and everybody else.
Finn chops up (2-A) Orgalorg's Vines from his insides with the Grass Vine. Finn w/ Grass Vine scales relative via cutting the vines and slicing up his thin stellar 2-A body.
Finn smacks (2-A) Farmworld Finn with (2-A) Grass Vine, scales to Farmworld Finn's dura and AP.
Grass Vine (2-A) becomes Fern by merging with the Finn Sword. Fern scales.
The Lich fights Farmworld Finn (2-A). His hand gets chopped off and is split through the multiverse.
Later key Finn fights Fern (2-A), and the Lich hand (2-A) is capable of fighting Finn and Fern (2-A).
Grumbo melts Finn's Small Sword (2-A), and the Grass Knight Fern (2-A) is stronger than Grumbo.
Orgalorg (2-A) fights Grob Gob Glob Grod. He scales.
Finn w/ Night Sword (who'd already scale to 2-A) gets his sword infused with Abadeer's (2-A) dark magic and fights Grass Knight Fern.
Gunter scales slightly behind by holding his own with Flamicorn and slapping Abadeer (2-A), 2 consistent feats, Orgalorg's regular AP upscales from that and he'd be in the ballpark of the other Primordials.
Then the same scaling we have. Gumball Guardians boom the Lich (2-A). Susan absorbs their energy. Grass Sword (2-A) takes over and bodies her.
Then those who scale to Finn who fought Fern. GOLB's goons scale to Marceline and Finn and everybody else.
With the amount of people that actually have feats or direct scaling to 2-A, it's very consistent in the long run.
Conclusion
God Tiers are updated to 2-A.Those who scale to/from them will be 2-A.
Agree: KingTempest, Planck69, Dalesean027, DemonGodMitchAubin, ssgengar, CloverDragon03, Eseseso, Greatsage13th, Harith0cell, Nullflowerblush, Mamaroza, Flowerguy2, Js250476, TyranoDoom30, Galvino, Aolphl, ProfectusInfinity, HammerStrikes219, E6pire, Kachon123, Floxy178, Tr&Lokumu
Disagree:
Neutral: Damage3245
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