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Kirito vs Sonic: Rematch... Again

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Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
BruH. You literally just bsically said that Kirito’s freeze (His opening move) which is colder than space and near Absolute Zero, is colder than Subzero temperature which Sonic resists... :/
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Higher AP to break free from the freezing... The incapacitation isn't gonna last too long. I only said wincon earlier cause you made it sound way more op than it actually is.

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JED said:
Even if you want to argue the freeze would work (which why would Sonic stand there while an opponent he doesn't know charges up an attack is beyond me, especially when Sonic never stands still in combat), since everyone agrees Sonic has a massive AP advantage, he would be able to break out of it, as PoH was able to do so (at the time he was much stronger than Kirito as well), not to mention Sonic can break out of ice with subzero temperatures anyways
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Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Sonic can survive in space without any issues, so I don't see how's that a problem
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Yes. I know he can survive in space, but can he resist a freeze that is very close to Absolute Zero? Cuz’ from what I read, Sonic resists Subzero temperature and Colder than space > Subzero temperature.
Confluctor said:
Higher AP to break free from the freezing... The incapacitation isn't gonna last too long.

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Yes. If the temperature was near subzero, he can easily break out of it, but I see a major difference in temperatures.
 
Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
Yes. I know he can survive in space, but can he resist a freeze that is very close to Absolute Zero? Cuz’ from what I read, Sonic resists Subzero temperature and Colder than space > Subzero temperature.
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Yes. And pretty easily at that. All Sonic games show Sonic being unaffected by cold, even when he's in outer space, where tempreatures are almost at absolute zero
 
Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
Yes. If the temperature was near subzero, he can easily break out of it,
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Even if Sonic takes longer to break out, which I assume it wouldn't take days, he will immediately go for time stop and it's GG. Cause breaking out of this ice doesn't seem to be too hard of work as someone ecplained it above.
 
JED said:
As someone who follows both Sonic and SAO, this seems like my cup of tea. The only time Kirito has ever used Age Manipulation was not even in a combat scenario; he realized that Alice's dragons were going to be murdered, which would have devastated her, and the only way he could prevent that was by turning them into eggs. Even when he was on the ropes against Subtlizer, he did not even think of using this ability. So even if it is combat applicable, he does not use it in combat at all.

As for transmutation, again, he has only been shown to use this once, and this was at the end of a fight after he had just defeated PoH (which he needed a major amp of 20,000+ players and his God mode to do so and still only barely won but that's besides the point). He defeated PoH and it was only after PoH had threatened to log back in and continue to hunt down him and Asuna did Kirito decide that he needed to trap PoH for good, so he turned him into a tree so PoH would be trapped. So he only has shown to do this at the end of a fight against his serial killer archenemy threatening to slit his girlfriend's throat. So this also is not in character for him to do.

Even if you want to argue the freeze would work (which why would Sonic stand there while an opponent he doesn't know charges up an attack is beyond me, especially when Sonic never stands still in combat), since everyone agrees Sonic has a massive AP advantage, he would be able to break out of it, as PoH was able to do so (at the time he was much stronger than Kirito as well), not to mention Sonic can break out of ice with subzero temperatures anyways.

Even with the Probability Manipulation, the thing is, it always only activated under a very specific circumstance. The only real example it has been shown but Kirito is by Eugeo coming to his aid against PoH (who was legit about to kill Kirito at that point, and there was nothing Kirito could have done about it), that only happened because Ronie begged him too. And all Eugeo did was give Kirito his amp (with which, as previously mentioned, still only barely defeated PoH). And then against Subtlizer, Kirito was only able to neutralize him because Miller's greatest fear is the light of the human heart, as he is pure evil. Sonic is a pure hearted person, and gets empowered by the idea of friendship too (and Super Sonic absorbs light anyways).

Meanwhile, while Sonic normally likes to start out his fights by blitzing his opponents in H2H. But he is not stupid, and when he sees his opponents charging up a special attack (in this case, Kirito's release recollection), he is going to get out of their instantly. After the attack is finished, he would likely try to attack Kirito head on, and we all agree he has the AP advantage to knock him out. However, if he sees that his physical attacks are not putting him down, Sonic has no problem resorting to his hax, such as Chaos Control, which Kirito has no counter to. As shown during the second Shadow fight in SA2, if Sonic has a Chaos Emerald handy, he has no problem using Chaos Control during combat if his opponent has abilities he is not prepared for. Sonic could easily use this to teleport completely out of the range of his release recollection, and damage him to the point of being incapacited for a long time (his immortality doesn't mean he cannot be knocked out), or, the most likely scenario, BFR/seal him to a place where he will no longer be a threat (as shown at the end of SA2).

This also does not include the wisps, which are also in his standard arsenal and are very in-character for him to use. At that point, it is take your pick as Kirito does not resist any of these abilites, which range from Deconstruction, to Void Manipulation, Transmutation (he can also do this through Ring Time), and even Intangibility (giving him further resistance to Kirito's abilites).

All in all, I will vote Sonic, mid-diff.
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i'm sorry what
 
Confluctor said:
Higher AP to break free from the freezing... The incapacitation isn't gonna last too long. I only said wincon earlier cause you made it sound way more op than it actually is.

As he explained it:
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OK. I just saw this mow. That was his World of Underworld key where his freeze was not that impressive. His Star key has all of his abilities enhanced.
Confluctor said:
Even if Sonic takes longer to break out, which I assume it wouldn't take days, he will immediately go for time stop and it's GG. Cause breaking out of this ice doesn't seem to be too hard of work as someone ecplained it above.
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This is SBA
Victory Conditions: Death of the opponent, removing the opponent from the battlefield for at least one week (BFR), knocking the opponent out for at least one hour, or incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm the other fighter(s) for over a day, are to be assumed as victory conditions.
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>Assume it wouldn’t take days
At least one hour or over a day sounds like more time Sonic needs to break out of it
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Yes. And pretty easily at that. All Sonic games show Sonic being unaffected by cold, even when he's in outer space, where tempreatures are almost at absolute zero
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Can you show me scans of Sonic resisting basically Absolute Zero?
Kirito almost got Absolute Zero in the previous CRT
 
Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
OK. I just saw this mow. That was his World of Underworld key where his freeze was not that impressive. His Star key has all of his abilities enhanced.

This is SBA

>Assume it wouldn’t take days
At least one hour or over a day sounds like more time Sonic needs to break out of it

Can you show me scans of Sonic resisting basically Absolute Zero?
Kirito almost got Absolute Zero in the previous CRT
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See the key word "almost".
 
Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
OK. I just saw this mow. That was his World of Underworld key where his freeze was not that impressive. His Star key has all of his abilities enhanced.

This is SBA

>Assume it wouldn’t take days
At least one hour or over a day sounds like more time Sonic needs to break out of it

Can you show me scas?
Kirito almost got Absolute Zero in the previous CRT
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Sonic resists being frozen in his base form, and can easily break from being frozen in every game he can get frozen.

Super Sonic's resistance is vastly superior to that of Base Sonic.

Sonic can also survive in space very easily in base and is unaffected by the extreme cold of outer space (which approaches absolute zero), as seen in every game where Sonic finds himself in space (Sonic 2, Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Sonic Adventure 2, All Sonic Advance Game, both Sonic Rush games, possibly Sonic 2006 too, Sonic Generations and Sonic Mania)
 
Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
OK. I just saw this mow. That was his World of Underworld key where his freeze was not that impressive. His Star key has all of his abilities enhanced.
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You need to show how much stronger his lifting got and the only feat we see from Star King's ice is that it pinned the AH for a few seconds. AH who is featless in lifting.
Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
This is SBA

>Assume it wouldn’t take days
At least one hour or over a day sounds like more time Sonic needs to break out of it
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You realise Kirito has pretty low tier lifting strength which is what is needed to break out of the ice and Sonic has pre-stellar.
Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
Can you show me scans of Sonic resisting basically Absolute Zero?
Kirito almost got Absolute Zero in the previous CRT
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So you mean to say he didn't get AZ? No need to get scans to resist AZ then.
 
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Gilad_Hyperstar said:
Sonic resists being frozen in his base form, and can easily break from being frozen in every game he can get frozen.

Super Sonic's resistance is vastly superior to that of Base Sonic.

Sonic can also survive in space very easily in base and is unaffected by the extreme cold of outer space (which approaches absolute zero), as seen in every game where Sonic finds himself in space (Sonic 2, Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Sonic Adventure 2, All Sonic Advance Game, both Sonic Rush games, possibly Sonic 2006 too, Sonic Generations and Sonic Mania)
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Thx for the info, but can I see like real scans?
AnonymousBlank said:
You realise Kirito has pretty low tier lifting strength which is what is needed to break out of the ice and Sonic has pre-stellar.
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You know Kirito's Lifting Strength is Multi-Stellar? Right? Multi-Stellar > Pre-Stellar... :/
AnonymousBlank said:
So you mean to say he didn't get AZ? No need to get scans to resist AZ then.
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Yes cuz' apparently just a very few degrees difference doesn't give you Absolute Zero but very, very, very cold Ice Manipulation.
 
Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
You know Kirito's Lifting Strength is Multi-Stellar? Right? Multi-Stellar > Pre-Stellar
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It actually isn’t. The multi stellar is and always has been specifically for NSS dragging stars. It never scales to other items and NSS is even a higher priority than BR so you can’t even scale the ice that way. Let’s not forget that the Release Recollection of both were used on AH and NSS actually did damage while BR barely held it for a few secs. Sonic himself actually has pre stellar lifting while Kirito is superhuman.
Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
Yes cuz' apparently just a very few degrees difference doesn't give you Absolute Zero but very, very, very cold Ice Manipulation.
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Such is the way of life.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
It actually isn’t. The multi stellar is and always has been specifically for NSS dragging stars. It never scales to other items and NSS is even a higher priority than BR so you can’t even scale the ice that way. Let’s not forget that the Release Recollection of both were used on AH and NSS actually did damage while BR barely held it for a few secs. Sonic himself actually has pre stellar lifting while Kirito is superhuman.
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Create a CRT. Until then, Kirito's Lifting Strength is Multi-Stellar.
AnonymousBlank said:
Such is the way of life.
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Yes. Life if rough. #Relatable
 
Star_King_Demon_Lord said:
Create a CRT. Until then, Kirito's Lifting Strength is Multi-Stellar.
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Dude ..... I don’t need to make one when the page already says it’s multi stellar with NSS Release Recollection. You are the one who has to make a CRT to scale Kirito and BR’s lifting to NSS. The page already says what I want it to say.
 
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AnonymousBlank said:
Dude ..... I don’t need to make one when the page already says it’s multi stellar with NSS Release Recollection. You are the one who has to make a CRT to scale Kirito and BR’a lifting to NSS. The page already says what I want it to say.
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OK. I see it. But why would Lifting Strength matter in this case since freezing is not Lifting Strength?
 
To break out of the ice I mean. Even if Sonic resists being frozen, he would still be covered in the ice which would hold him in place hence why lifting is required. I don’t know the scans for Sonic’s cold resist so I’m staying away from that part. My betters in that area can argue over it.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
To break out of the ice I mean. Even if Sonic resists being frozen, he would still be covered in the ice which would hold him in place hence why lifting is required. I don’t know the scans for Sonic’s cold resist so I’m staying away from that part. My betters in that area can argue over it.
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How long can he resist a freeze that is basically near Absolute Zero?
 
The near absolute zero comes from AG surviving in outer space ..... the same thing that Sonic casually experiences in multiple games. BR doesn’t have any real scaling chain as it temporarily holds AH (not even sure it successfully froze AH since I’ve only seen the anime for Alicization) which so Sonic would suffer the same but break out faster with his lifting.
 
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