SGGL's timeline attack. Other than that the previous P&A CRT had the Immeasurable rating removed because there's no evidence that they're actually Immeasurable in every capacity.
That's at best supporting evidence for the rating. It's not a justification for an upgrade by itself.
actually the attack Super Galaxy did was going to be changed into a range feat
Was it? I know from the thread I participated in it was Immeasurable with that attack, but range also makes sense.
I mean the attack still had to go through several portal thingys, it took time to pull off. It was a case of Space-Time Manipulation, sort of like the space-time shattering burst spinning punch
That's not what I said. I said that they have to accomplish the feat I gave without the use of hax or abilities
It would be nonsensical to have Mega Maelstrom Vortex Cannon as no Immeasurable attack since, the ability itself was supposed to be an omnipresential firing which hit targets regardless "where" or "when", including past and future as well lower and higher dimensions. So Immeasurable rating should stay, in my opinion. And kinda, I don't think SGGL has any relevance here regarding the Anti-Spiral transcends time and space (multiverse) making them no longer restricted by time and gravity.
Exactly, what's the relevance of that here if they use no hax in order to transcend the time and space?
It can stay for that one attack.
Again, a state of being is not evidence for infinite or immeasurable without feats or showings backing it. Being higher dimensional does not mean they are Immeasurable.
They don't have proof of any other attack being that fast, which is why they got nerfed.
Never said anything apart from said attack should be there, but glad you can agree with me that it could stay.
I, never said they are Immeasurable solely because they are higher dimensional beings, Qawsedf. And do our standards even requires or obligates feats in order to backing it? I don't think so, we have Outerversal guys rated as Irrelevant solely because by logic they are already beyond the concept of time and space, so why can't we do the same with transcending time and space in dimensional difference warrant Immeasurable rating?
They don't have feats*
For non 1-A characters, yes.
Because Outerversal is based in the idea that the character in question is beyond any meaningful mathematical or scientific measurement. Which would include speed ratings.
If they don't have a showing for it, they just don't have a showing.
The thread is still ongoing but the general consensus at the time of writing this is it is going to get axed or changed in a way to make it not automatic.
Fair enough.
I disagree, you don't need feats or any manner of showing to gain such rating as long you can treat the time, linear time being meaningless or irrelevant to you it should be enough for Immeasurable speed to be obtained, because all you have to do is to make said "time" as undefined in d/t formula. I've gave you one of DontTalkDT's argument in case if you haven't opened it, here it is.
But they do none of those things. They required special attacks or abilites to cross dimensiona or time axis. They are also still effected by things such as gravity, the progression of time, and attack delays.
But they do, what I refered as "they" here is the Anti-Spiral, which explicitly are no more restricted by time and gravity, aka meaningless.
| Work Soul: "When the Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann throws, the Ashtanga-class fleet is destroyed. And, in front of the giant Nia, something like a small, black, irregular-shaped humanoid body floats. It's a stop unbounded by time and gravity." |
| Final Drill: "Simon's greatest enemy is this universe itself The greatest, strongest, and most fearsome enemy that attempts to eradicate all creatures with Spiral power. Even before Simon and his comrades, numerous Spiral warriors have challenged the Anti-Spiral and been buried. Its form has no discernible substance, has capability to lightly transcend time and space, affects the multiple-dimensions. It is truly an entity that can be called "the universe" itself." |
I have no damn idea why would you correlated SGGL's omnipresential attack and made it looks like an anti-feats which literally happened when they are still at 3-B at best, to dispute the Anti-Spiral's possibility to earn Immeasurable speed in this case.
Show scans that they are still affected by them in episode 27, or in the final battle in the second movie, I don't expect asinine argument such as 'they are standing in the galaxy!", of course.
Undirectly implying they are fast because they are big, I assume? Because that's just wrong in another whole level. The Anti-Spiral throws tendrils from dozen of millions of light years away from their planet in a second, Gurren Lagann crossed the entire distance of Super Granzeboma's Giga Drill in a short time, average human-sized and dozen of meters robot respectively, yeah size argument to refute speed is irrelevant.
Except when they are obviously effected by time and gravity. TTGL is thrown and body slammed into galaxies. The Anti-Spiral is spun around and tossed. TTGL falls and lands on galaxies as well to avoid attacks.
If they had a Immeasurable feat or statement you'd be able to provide it. Instead you're relying on dimensional tiering for a rating when we no longer use that as a primary basis for non 1-A characters (whi in turn might also lose this automatic rating).
How exactly is it asinine? When you can fall, stop, and be pushed into things its obvious gravity still effects you.
They are big, can attack rapidly, and their beams can rapidly cross intergalactic distances. Post Big Bang absorption GL mechas can also react to Anti-Spiral attacks. But in none of those cases are they infinite or Immeasurable feat or statement wise. In fact the existence of any delay between the attack being fired and it hitting them sorta throws out the idea that their speed is as transcendent as you claim it is.
Oh yes, let’s ignore the databook’s statements regarding them (the Anti-Spiral) being capable to freed themselves from time and gravity because said fiction didn’t portray them as flying-flying mega-galaxy robots, that’s just the height of nitpicking.
Please elaborate on why transcending time and space as dimensional difference in the way you made the “time” as meaningless shouldn’t be treat as Immeasurable speed, it’s not just about “dimensional tiering”, which is case per case, I know this circumstance can only be occurred if 1-B is accepted, assuming you do accepted said transcending as Immeasurable speed, of course, but it is not my only argument to begin with, I said the Anti-Spiral are possibly has Immeasurable rating based on databook’s statement that they are no more restricted by time and gravity, in which you tried to debunk with nitpicking reasonings.
It is an asinine because said reasonings are nitpicking at it’s finest, not even close to good reasons in order to debunk statements from Work Soul guidebook which itself supposed to work as “movie/anime scripts”, you can’t even argue it as hyperbolic. And statement is there, but you just kept deniying it:
| "When the Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann throws, the Ashtanga-class fleet is destroyed. And, in front of the giant Nia, something like a small, black, irregular-shaped humanoid body floats. It's a stop unbounded by time and gravity." |
This is very ironic to hear as a guy who did a lot of research about the series, Gurren Lagann doesn’t tell it has the usage of complex projective space used by the Anti-Spiral to oscillates their universe between two membranes, although it does, Gurren Lagann doesn’t tell it has the usage of Copenhagen quantum interpretation that the wavefunctions collapse are dependant to ones perceptions, although it does, Gurren Lagann doesn’t tell that TTGL and its crews are nothing but materialized thoughts, feelings, and emotions and completely lacked of physical form, although they do. And many, many more stuffs that were only covered in the databooks and novelization, it’s not as obvious and straightforward as you think.
Well, yeah. We sorta operate under bein nitpicking at times. We don't take everything at face value and we don't scale things to a maximum theoretical level. If you're suggesting a rating without a hard feat or statement backing it, you going to have to explain away every counter showing.
Well, I never into legit Immeasurable either, I myself, personally rated them as at least MFTL+, possibly Immeasurable.
Fair enough.
I doubt that's gonna get a you an "At least" iirc
I'm fine with with/without "at least" now, they are gonna be immeasurably beyond baseline anyway, but yeah the hax seems straightforward to me.
Thanks for that! I'm as well iffy for Immeasurable, the idea comes from the Anti-Spiral is unbound by time as per Work Soul guidebook, however, if it's not enough for this site's standards, then so be it.
How could I missed that. Yes, he should have.
So he shouldn't have Low-Godly Regen Negation?
Immeasurable thingy is based from the Anti-Spiral are completely unrestricted by time.
All of them are in my blog already.
I'm not a fan of it honestly, I assume it is based from the Anti-Spiral weren't regenerating on their fight against Simon, however, I do think there are possibly several circumstances on why they didn't regenerate at that time.
1. Wouldn't that just lead back to Low-Godly Regen Negation? Or am I missing something?
1. Not really, the Anti-Spiral's power comes from their universe, if the universe is destroyed then they don't have a chance to use their power, let alone to regenerate, destroying the source of power doesn't sound like a power nullification to me.
