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Eternity Seventh Cosmos 1-A upgrade

If the Living Tribunal during the 7th Cosmos was below Multi-Eternity, then his profile should be reworded, and because of this it shouldn't scale.

And Sir Sun Man is correct in his scaling list, except for those who scales to the Tribunal and the Phoenix Force. Although not sure if Beyonder and MM pre Retcon should scale, as the Far Shore is a really new addition to Marvel Cosmology. Also, the LifeBringer should not scale, as he's only as powerful as Lord Chaos and Master Order, nothing more.
 
Honestly, I'm not entirely sure on LT being beneath Eternity in the Seventh, but shouldn't he scale regardless? If Death and Infinity scale, isn't the LT above them?
 
If the LT being below Multi Eternity is true, then not, because Death and Infinity are stated to be equal to Eternity, even in their true forms. In fact, Infinity is literally the half part of Eternity.
 
DanielIH15 said:
If the Living Tribunal during the 7th Cosmos was below Multi-Eternity, then his profile should be reworded, and because of this it shouldn't scale.
And Sir Sun Man is correct in his scaling list, except for those who scales to the Tribunal and the Phoenix Force. Although not sure if Beyonder and MM pre Retcon should scale, as the Far Shore is a really new addition to Marvel Cosmology. Also, the LifeBringer should not scale, as he's only as powerful as Lord Chaos and Master Order, nothing more.
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beyonder was stated to be the beyond realm in the pre recton continuity a realm which was compered to the multiverse

with the multiverse being not more then a drop of water in an ocean compered to the beyond realm

there is also that statement that says the beyonder is millions of times more powerful then the whole multiverse combined

and MM scales to him in power

so yes they definitly should scale to the 7th cosmos
 
The universe was stated to be a drop of water in an ocean compared to The Beyond Realm, not the multiverse. The Beyonder was millions of times more powerful than everything in the multiverse combined though.
 
I said Beyonder Pre Retcon shouldn't scale because Eternity wasn't that powerful back then. And as a retconned character, he shouldn't scale to new additions to the cosmology, I think.
 
That is true, and the retcon aspect applies to the 7th multiverse and its cosmic entities as well.
 
as you know we kinda scale him to things that were astablished after the retcon and if we are still going to do that he should be 1A
 
Well, the Marvel multiverse was established as infinite-dimensional back then as well.
 
well then he should be high 1B and not low 1-A

but we still scale him to the new revalations about the marvel multiverse
 
What do the rest of you think? I am very uncertain regarding if it is a good idea to do anything based on this discussion thread.
 
oh sorry forgot to mention

more knowledge and admins should get a say before we even think about doing anything

and it will probobly be a good idea to make a new crt thread for the staff members to talk about this

im just puting the lists out if you guys agree with the upgrade in the end
 
Alonik said:
This Challenger's history in avengers no surrender is already set in the eighth multiverse, not the seventh.
The far shore is a new and exclusive concept of the eighth multiverse, it was never mentioned for the seventh, so this upgrade makes no sense.
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I agree.
 
Matthew, the Avengers No Surrender has a flashback that takes place in the 7th Cosmos and said flashback establishes that the Far Shore existed back then. That's the whole point of this thread, what do we do with that.
 
I think that Multiversal Eternity was never mentioned in comparison with the Tribunal.
 
Anyway, it seems like Matthew and Kepekley both think that the statistics should stay as they are, so it is probably best to follow their advise.
 
Antvasima said:
I think that Multiversal Eternity was never mentioned in comparison with the Tribunal.
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Even if Multi-Eternity wasn't ever explicitly compared with the Living Tribunal, it doesn't matter, because the relationship of the abstracts generally "carries over" from universal to multiversal scales anyway, and the old Living Tribunal has consistently been portrayed as superior to Eternity.

If 7th Cosmos Eternity is 1-A, then the original Living Tribunal is definitely 1-A.
 
7th Cosmos TLT =/= Classic TLT

The point is that, 7th Cosmos TLT has nothing to suggest he's relative to full Multi Eternity (not my argument, but it's bascially what was argued) and Classic doesn't scale to 7th Cosmos
 
Is somebody willing to ask PrinceOfTheMorning, Sandman31, ClassicNESfan, and Ultima Reality to comment here?
 
The 8th Cosmos' Eternity is explicitly portrayed as superior to the Tribunal. That quote you posted even suggests as much.
 
Malomtek said:
Why are people seriously arguing that the first key of The Living Tribunal doesn't scale to the 7th Cosmos when Eternity is just an aspect of the first Living Tribunal?
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It's the other way around, as far as the evidence is concerned.

The idea that the universal hierarchy carries over to the multiversal hierarchy is also completely unbacked. Eternity's true form isn't even part of the hierarchy, as shown in the Ultimates.
 
I agree with Kepekley and Paradox.

By the way, in the recent "Venom: The End" comicbook, The Living Tribunal was killed again, this time by a futuristic computer that had converted 75% of all matter in the local universe to be a part of its substance.

It was an alternative future that is not a part of regular continuity of course, but given the Tribunal's multiversal nature, it technically does not need to be, and the story explicitly referred to him as a higher-dimensional entity.

Should we consider this as an outlier or an M-Body perhaps?
 
Hykuu said:
7th Cosmos TLT =/= Classic TLT

The point is that, 7th Cosmos TLT has nothing to suggest he's relative to full Multi Eternity (not my argument, but it's bascially what was argued) and Classic doesn't scale to 7th Cosmos
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Wait hold on. I thought 7th Cosmos TLT was Classic TLT, since the 7th Cosmos was the Pre-2015 Secret Wars Marvel multiverse.
 
Kepekley23 said:
The 8th Cosmos' Eternity is explicitly portrayed as superior to the Tribunal. That quote you posted even suggests as much.
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If you mean the "aspects" thing, then I don't think that strictly applied to Adam Tribunal, as he explicitly described himself as some fundamentally eternal entity that predates and will exist after the end of "all things", and possessing a secret name that nobody knows, despite his manifestations going through a life-death-rebirth cycle.
 
@Malmotek Nah, Classic TLT is like Secret Wars or Classic Surfer/Strange TLT afaik, not 7th cosmos one
 
Antvasima said:
I agree with Kepekley and Paradox.
By the way, in the recent "Venom: The End" comicbook, The Living Tribunal was killed again, this time by a futuristic computer that had converted 75% of all matter in the local universe to be a part of its substance.

It was an alternative future that is not a part of regular continuity of course, but given the Tribunal's multiversal nature, it technically does not need to be, and the story explicitly referred to him as a higher-dimensional entity.

Should we consider this as an outlier or an M-Body perhaps?
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The A.S.I, were capable of duplicating and recreating the power of things like the Infinity Stones, and we even see one of the robots having those stones on his head (on the same panel we see TLT dead), so it's safe to assume they just reached that level of power
 
Hykuu said:
@Malmotek Nah, Classic TLT is like Secret Wars or Classic Surfer/Strange TLT afaik, not 7th cosmos one
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So there is no difference then, since the 7th Cosmos included pretty much all of Marvel history before Secret Wars 2015.
 
No, There's a difference between Post-Classic TLT and TLT before 2015 Secret Wars, there's a few decades in between you know?
 
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