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(And yes, I am doing this without waiting for Ultima since he is way too busy with other threads)
The Astral Plane is currently accepted as Low 1-A in scope, mainly due to it being the edge/surface of Universal Eternity. This is fine as of right now, but I think that the Astral Plane has a case...
As some of you may understand I have been advocating with Ultima after this tiering system revision was being applied that DeMatteis's story isn't very congruent with the main Cosmology. While authors like Hickman, Ewing, and many others seem to at least follow a certain contunity with their...
Heya.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Ultima_Reality/MC
So, this is something I've pretty much exclusively been working on (Wiki-wise) for a week and some change, as is. As you can see, this is a cosmology page for Marvel Comics, pretty much already finished. Much of what is in it is...
Hi all. Glad to see you all here after the previous thread.
As the title suggests, this is a continuation of my ongoing revisions of Marvel's Cosmics, this time tackling the tiering of the Omniversal Abstracts. After this one, I plan to make a Part 2.5, which will deal with fixing... everything...
Iceman Full Potential Upgrade
This thread kind of died, so I'm redoing it here.
After absorbing a flake of the Black Winter, Terrax's power was boosted massively to the point of casually wrecking the Avengers/Silver Surfer, and he implied that he would kill at least the universe.
Iceman taps...
Right, so, at the moment the profiles for the Marvel Comics Abstracts are all quite bad, and in pretty dire need to repairs. Not only in terms of tiering, but also of... everything, really. This thread will be Part 1 of an attempt at overhauling them. Beginning from the top (The tiers).
About...
Pretty sure this is already accepted, just not added yet. Arguments here mostly inspired by @Alonik
En Dwi Gast, also known as the Grandmaster, trapped the previous Grandmaster (Challenger) on the Far Shore of the Seventh Cosmos during the time when the inner parts of the cosmos were changing...
Defenders: Beyond #1-5
Beyonder Post-Retcon: It was stated and proven that he was capable manipulating his own canonicity and is aware of his own pervious retcons. It's Shown Here ''Upon reaching the House, he hid himself until the Defenders finished their business. At the end, he proclaimed...
I myself find interesting how Ewing and Marquez are finishing a story showing what lies in The Outside.
In other words, we're finally seeing outerversal layers in Marvel, with the Far Shore being base and Oblivion/the land couldn't be shouldn't being three layers beyond that. And it seems the...
Since Marvel revisions will never go ahead, let's give it a try, anyhow:
For years this Wiki has had a misconception about what the Negative Zone, Sub-Space (Hiperspace) are, let's try to fix that. However, some caveat:
Subspace and Hyperspace are the same thing - Official Handbook of the...
It was implied that Beyonder was nothing more than a "child-unit" of the beyonder's race.
But the original cover art of the original Beyonder was toying with them making everyone believe he was inferior.
But it turns out the current Beyonder is the source of the power for God Emperor Doom and...
https://vsbattles.com/threads/troubles-with-eternity.141556/
So, in continuation of the unexpectedly closed thread, I realized that there are some misunderstandings in the current Marvel cosmology. At least in my opinion.
Okey, as I said, in my opinion, there is not quite the right...
So, the roots of our problem go back to the very description of Eternity - "Encompasses the Far Shore, which was described as a void of nonexistence beyond all levels of space, time, life and death on a multiversal scale", but this is completely wrong.
As Eternity said, Galactus, who was on the...
After wearing the eternity mask, wearer begins seeing space and time as a narritive, a story.
(Marvel comics (2019) #1001)
Eternity himself is capable of manipulating spacetime, as that he is the literal sentience of it, this manipulation is likely similar to manipulating a story, as that the...
1: In the older Tiering System, it was stated "Similarly, existing "beyond all logic and mathematics" does not allow to automatically qualify for this tier, as such a statement is fundamentally unprovable in the context of an indexing wiki. At most, such feats can be quantified based on how far...
First of all the multiverse is transfinite starting with an aleph number of higher dimensions. Then they are more infinite series of infinite levels, infinitely greater than the others.
Another scan to back this up as they are infinite dimensions that transcends infinite dimensions...
Alright, not a tiers one (yet... well, proper one, anyway) but abilities one. His page is kinda boring, so wanted to add some powers/scans. All sourced, don't worry.
New powers:
Enhanced Senses - As shown here - Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Comics Magazine Vol 1 10 and FF #600 and in...
Does anyone have the scan that cites Doctor Strange feeling more dimensions than the usual four after entering Eternity? The link provided in the Eternity page that indicates this, is not working.
How high are Eternity (From the Eighth Multiverse) and The First Firmament into 1-A?
Also. Why is Infinity not 1-A? And why did she not show up in the Eighth Multiverse? Does that mean that Infinity is also born out of Eternity just like The Living Tribunal?
What tier would someone get when they move as fast/faster than an omnipresent person?
Here is an example/feat in question:
Heroes Reborn #3
Blur basically races Eternity. (It's not for a profile or anything, but I just wanna know how fast this could be)
Not sure what this means
But the current wiki hierarchy only uses higher dimensions when they represent uncountable infinite higher lower dimension or higher layers where the lower dimensions/layers are nothing more than fictional.
This is not even related or implied in any way
So I wonder why...
beyonder (pre-retcon)
eternity
galactus (marvel comics)
marvel comics
molecule man
oblivion
thanos (marvel comics)
the beyonders
the first firmament
the living tribunal
ok so this has been bugging me for quite some time now
we have upgraded eternity to 1-A some time ago due to this here page from the challanger story
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/2/20/Grandmastergg3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200122021631&format=original
"to the far shore...
the chaos king is consider low 1-A being the exact opposite of eternity who is 1-A at maximum, and the marquis of death manipulated eternity one time fighting his past self, so why he is only 1-C, it should not be 1-A?
There are some questions of Marvel cosmology tier, so I offer to look at some interesting statements
The Seventh Cosmos
The Marvel Multiverse has bee shown to contain infinite Higher-Dimensions many times
The Seventh Cosmos exist in place that transcends all levels of reality .
As we can...
The Black Winter has the power to destroy the entire multiverse which should be a 1A feat. It also previously killed the Low 1A 6th Cosmos.
Current Thor and Galactus are able to fight it therefore they should be 1A too.
The Far Shore was part of Eternity, even during its last iteration. See how the Challenger says he was exiled to the Far Shore until everything died, which implies that he was exiled there while the Seventh Cosmos existed and only could return to exist after the desctruction of said iteration of...
Eternity is 1-A now. Above All Others is the creator of Eternity, and transcends Eternity as a concept.
Above All Others is now 1-A. This is fact.
Given how the Living Tribunal is depicted in Thanos: The Infinity Ending as superior to Eternity, he might be 1-A too.
Hello Everyone, the purpose of this thread will be to bring a great revision to Yggdrasil, Rune King Thor and Those who sit above in shadows, and the creation of some profiles.
First, i want to give a summary of things you won't find in this topic;
In this topic will not be covered;
Marvel...
According to Al Ewing, the Far Shore is part of Eternity, the eighth iteration of Eternity for being more precise.
For those who don't know what the Far Shore is, it is the fartest point of life and death and it is outside time, space ans beyond that, there's only the mystery also called beyond...
So, to give background context as to how the feat happened, we need to look at Doctor Strange Vol. 2, which came out in 1974, or most specifically it's 4th issue.
After being trapped in the Dimension of Unreality by the Silver Dagger and meeting several parallel versions of characters from the...
Hello everyone, for a while, most of the people believed Eternity to be completely inferior to the Infinity Gauntlet but the true is both are or almost equal in all ways...
Lets start!
The Living Tribunal itself declare that Eternity is equal to the Infinity Gems in all ways.
Adam Warlock...
Eternity enters the Court of the Crimson KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING- AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA- oh excuse me.
Both are High 1-B and speed is equalised (Base Crimson King is being used)
Crimson King: 0
Eternity: 0
Inconclusive: 0