J.M. DeMatteis (Marvel Cosmology Split)

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

I think we should do the same treatment as DC here in that, while a standalone cosmology for DeMatteis (Marvel) should definitely be made for the above reasons IMO, not everything is obsolete and can still be added to the modern Marvel Cosmology (composite).

Yes, that’s the gist of it. Not “everything” is incoherent, but establishing that the majority of his work needs to be standalone is fine by me. Some elements will intermingle here and there and that’s fine.

 

[Elizio33]

Yes, that’s the gist of it. Not “everything” is incoherent, but establishing that the majority of his work needs to be standalone is fine by me. Some elements will intermingle here and there and that’s fine.

Well yes, if it were the other way around, a standalone cosmology for DeMatteis would not have been necessary.

 

[DivineCreator389]

Yes, that’s the gist of it. Not “everything” is incoherent, but establishing that the majority of his work needs to be standalone is fine by me. Some elements will intermingle here and there and that’s fine.

Ok this seems reasonable to me.

 

[Firestorm808]

So far, it looks okay.

 

[Antvasima]

Some of DeMatteis' ideas are outdated and just don't anymore fit with the modern cosmology, notably Oblivion. Of course, some stuffs from DeMatteis' stories can be used such as the Defenders series.

I think we should do the same treatment as DC here in that, while a standalone cosmology for DeMatteis (Marvel) should definitely be made for the above reasons IMO, not everything is obsolete and can still be added to the modern Marvel Cosmology (composite).

This is off topic but i think another standalone cosmology for Jim Starlin should be made, but that's a case for another day. That being said, I'm still on the same opinion as before regarding this thread.

I agree with Elizio33, both regarding DeMatteis and Starlin.

 

[ProfectusInfinity]

This is off topic but i think another standalone cosmology for Jim Starlin should be made, but that's a case for another day.

I believe we already split that cosmology, don't we?

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[Elizio33]

I believe we already split that cosmology, don't we?

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Yeah but i was more saying to make a Starlin's independent cosmology.

 

[BunBun]

I agree with most of this, but I disagree with the idea that DeMatteis's cosmology shouldn't exist within the main cosmology. As Steve Orlando stated, DeMatteis's work exists within the main cosmology ; ( it should be considered composite with main cosmology.)

I think the comics J.M. published are from the main universe. First of all:

1. The stuff J.M. published happens outside The Mystery, and that’s why J.M. explanations seem unrelated to the current cosmology because everything in those stories takes place outside The Mystery.


2. It makes a lot of sense that we didn’t see Oblivion in Defenders: Beyond, from traveling from Superflow to Hoi, since he’s been saying for a long time that he exists outside all realm, including The Mystery. This matches what J.M. published about Oblivion

And3. that makes even more sense with Oblivion saying he existed before creation I think that includes Toaa and Hoi as well.>•-

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

I think the comics J.M. published are from the main universe. First of all:

1. The stuff J.M. published happens outside The Mystery, and that’s why J.M. explanations seem unrelated to the current cosmology because everything in those stories takes place outside The Mystery.


2. It makes a lot of sense that we didn’t see Oblivion in Defenders: Beyond, from traveling from Superflow to Hoi, since he’s been saying for a long time that he exists outside all realm, including The Mystery. This matches what J.M. published about Oblivion

And3. that makes even more sense with Oblivion saying he existed before creation I think that includes Toaa and Hoi as well.>•-

Existing outside the Mystery is kind of hard to define since it is supposedly infinite. I do agree that it takes place outside the main continuity and doesn't really go well with anything.

 

[Antvasima]

So do we have sufficient staff support to go ahead with a separate DeMatteis cosmology? Preferably a Starlin one as well.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

So do we have sufficient staff support to go ahead with a separate DeMatteis cosmology? Preferably a Starlin one as well.

We have four, but it has been like this for a while due to waiting on Ultima.

 

[Antvasima]

So do we have sufficient staff support to go ahead with a separate DeMatteis cosmology? Preferably a Starlin one as well.

We have four, but it has been like this for a while due to waiting on Ultima.

@Ultima_Reality

We need your help here as well.

 

[ObberGobb]

How will this be implemented? Will the characters affected be given DeMatteis profiles, or DeMatteis keys on their normal profiles?

 

[Antvasima]

How will this be implemented? Will the characters affected be given DeMatteis profiles, or DeMatteis keys on their normal profiles?

The latter I think.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

How will this be implemented? Will the characters affected be given DeMatteis profiles, or DeMatteis keys on their normal profiles?

Most of the things require a profile. So more or less both. For the Divine Creator, Oblivion, Eternity, Chthon, etc…will get keys.

For characters without a profile such as Maya, Cleito, Job, etc…they will require a profile.

 

[BLS]

Bump

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Waiting on a certain administrator really does test your patience. Anywho, he's likely to be here “very soon.”

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Genuine question, but as I look into DeMatteis' stories, the line between their 'Gods' are clearly intended to be comparable. Especially with him stating anytime he mention God in his stories is referring to the same God. So, with that in mind, wouldn't it be possible to scale every interpretation of God in DeMatteis' stories to each other , since DeMatteis is explicitly on the nose with stating that they are all effectively the same God ?

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Genuine question, but as I look into DeMatteis' stories, the line between their 'Gods' are clearly intended to be comparable. Especially with him stating anytime he mention God in his stories is referring to the same God. So, with that in mind, wouldn't it be possible to scale every interpretation of God in DeMatteis' stories to each other , since DeMatteis is explicitly on the nose with stating that they are all effectively the same God ?

Yeah, they're all 0 on the same basis.