Magic: The Gathering 1-A Upgrade

[Robo432343]

@ActuallySpaceMan42 created this blog from around a year ago before the tiering system changes and now its 1-A because the tiering system has been updated

ActuallySpaceMan42/sandbox2

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@StrymULTRA explained the blog here

• Baseline World: Each world has its own dimensionality, with multiple statements of it being infinitely beyond places which are inferior about dimensionality, with said amount of dimensions being basically countless (1-B)
• Powestones: Geometrically perfect objects, that contain within them, unreachable infinite spaces. This infinite space can contain entire dimensional realities and worlds, and those worlds can be further nested into one another (1-B)
• Planes: Worlds that are infinite in size, separated by walls of reality, and that have their own dimensionality. They are capable of having impossible angles, spaces extending into infinity through fractal mathematics, and extra-planar geometry, such as Niz-Mizzet's Seven-Dimensional Geometry. (1-B)
• Multiverse: A collection of planes is described as a jumble of infinities, while the Multiverse is an infinite array. As such the Multiverse is described as being a greater infinity, with planes being infinite fractions of this infinity. (1-B)
• Time Streams: There are infinite time streams, always splitting and branching, with each one having its own multiverse.
• Blind Eternity: It exists beyond space and time, having no concepts of distance, is all-encompassing, can't be filled, and views the multiverse as a dream and illusion (1-A)

If there is no 1-B:

ActuallySpaceMan42/sandbox2

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• Powestones (Contain unreachable infinite spaces, and can contain their own dimensional realities. So far it has been shown that seven dimensions exist at the very least.) (1-C)
• Planes (Infinite universes which can expand into infinity through fractals, also have their own dimensionality and can have extra-dimensions, so seventh dimension at the most.) (1-C)
• Multiverse (Straight up is stated to be a greater infinity, with planes merely being infinite fractions of itself.) (1-C)
• Time Streams (There are infinite time streams, always splitting and branching, with each one having its own multiverse.)
• Blind Eternity (Exists beyond space and time, having no concepts of distance, is all-encompassing, can't be filled, and views the multiverse as a dream and illusion) (1-A)

 

[Infinitinet]

Due to qualitative superiority, sure.

 

[Infinitinet]

is 1-A+ fine?

No. That's for beings at the top of a hierarchy of infinite 1-A planes.

 

[henryzx900ruly]

I agree, i think this should be fine but please contact ultima

 

[Ar1216789]

bump

Robo, can u check dis out? its a 1-A revision (i couldn't contact u through message well)

 

[Ar1216789]

why im not even a staff member

i wanna see beoples opinion on it

 

[Robo432343]

Don’t ask that in my own crt

 

[Ar1216789]

Don’t ask that in my own crt

no

 

[Voidnether]

• Baseline World: Each world has its own dimensionality, with multiple statements of it being infinitely beyond places which are inferior about dimensionality, with said amount of dimensions being basically countless (1-B)
• Powestones: Geometrically perfect objects, that contain within them, unreachable infinite spaces. This infinite space can contain entire dimensional realities and worlds, and those worlds can be further nested into one another (1-B)

I don't see this in the userblog to be honest.

 

[Vietthai96]

eh, from a glance, look fine, Time Stream probably will be 1 layer higher into 1-A, well, unless there are anti-feat like lower world can reach 1-A place

Still, what the hell, so many obscure verses pop up into existence and being 1-A, seriously

 

[Voidnether]

Still, what the hell, so many obscure verses pop up into existence and being 1-A, seriously

Downgrade is imminent eventually..

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

eh, from a glance, look fine, Time Stream probably will be 1 layer higher into 1-A, well, unless there are anti-feat like lower world can reach 1-A place

Still, what the hell, so many obscure verses pop up into existence and being 1-A, seriously

"MTG is obscure"

 

[Vietthai96]

"MTG is obscure"

wait, i forgot to read the tag, it is ******* Magic: The Gathering bruhh

Still, my point still stand lol

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

This reminds me that I need to upgrade Animatou.to scale to the Cosmology because they explicitly stated with her powerset she could easily destroy existence itself

The upgrade looks good to me

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

i think this is a 1-A statement
"But time and space are merely two dimensions in all the panoply of what is."

I think it's just a supporting statement.

 

[henryzx900ruly]

can a verse reach 1-A without 1-B stuff now?

a verse can reach 1-A without even reaching tier 1

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I was in no way ready for an MTG 1-A Upgrade, especially with that outdated sandbox, but whatever.

 

[Livinmeme]

can a verse reach 1-A without 1-B stuff now?

A verse can reach tier 0 without even touching tier 1 stuff.

Spoiler

(like starwars in a couple of months).

 

[Robo432343]

bump

 

[Eseseso]

That sandbox should probably be revised if you want to use it for this type of upgrade

 

[Robo432343]

i dont think the tiers will change
except for the 1-a stuff if it passes

 

[Udlmaster]

I should note, btw, that the Multiverse having Infinite planes is contradicted later on by very credible in-verse sources (which arguably is more important than extra-fictional sources).

Ugin himself says while the Multiverse is infinite, it's contents aren't, and if anyone knows their stuff about the Multiverse, it would be Ugin.

"They're called the Eldrazi," said Ugin, "and they devour entire worlds. They are not true Planeswalkers, yet they move freely between planes. They are living organisms, apparently native to the Blind Eternities—the only such creatures known to exist. If they are not stopped, they pose a threat to every world."

"They cannot threaten every world," said Sorin. "The Multiverse is infinite."

"You clearly don't believe that," said Ugin. "If there are an infinity of worlds, then why save any of them? Why not just move to other worlds, ahead of the Eldrazi? No. The Multiverse is boundless, but its contents are finite. To believe otherwise is to believe that nothing matters at all. And when you are as old as I am, you will understand that nihilism is an indulgence you cannot afford."

 

[Livinmeme]

"You clearly don't believe that," said Ugin. "If there are an infinity of worlds, then why save any of them? Why not just move to other worlds, ahead of the Eldrazi? No. The Multiverse is boundless, but its contents are finite. To believe otherwise is to believe that nothing matters at all. And when you are as old as I am, you will understand that nihilism is an indulgence you cannot afford."

That is stupid, you can't just qualify the worth of human lifes with literal numbers and values, and infinite universes won't just decrese the value of someone, by virtue of them being enclosed doing their own things, and it would still be silly to say that just because there are an infinite ammount of you, you don't matter, literal reddit philosophy

 

[Udlmaster]

That is stupid, you can't just qualify the worth of human lifes with literal numbers and values, and infinite universes won't just decrese the value of someone, by virtue of them being enclosed doing their own things, and it would still be silly to say that just because there are an infinite ammount of you, you don't matter, literal reddit philosophy

TBF, you are currently having a Reddit moment with a fictional multi-millenia year old dragon.

 

[Livinmeme]

TBF, you are currently having a Reddit moment with a fictional multi-millenia year old dragon.

It is calling being a world building afficionado

 

[Robo432343]

I should note, btw, that the Multiverse having Infinite planes is contradicted later on by very credible in-verse sources (which arguably is more important than extra-fictional sources).

Ugin himself says while the Multiverse is infinite, it's contents aren't, and if anyone knows their stuff about the Multiverse, it would be Ugin.

Do you know what it means by contents

 

[Udlmaster]

Do you know what it means by contents

It means the Planes. Specifically how the Eldrazi Titans destroy Planes and will eventually destroy the Multiverse.

Sorin says that's impossible because the Multiverse is infinite but Ugin corrects him, saying the Multiverse is boundless but its contents (the Planes) are finite.

 

[Robo432343]

It means the Planes. Specifically how the Eldrazi Titans destroy Planes and will eventually destroy the Multiverse.

Sorin says that's impossible because the Multiverse is infinite but Ugin corrects him, saying the Multiverse is boundless but its contents (the Planes) are finite.

does that mean no 1-A mtg

 

[Udlmaster]

does that mean no 1-A mtg

Definitely not.

Just making a minor correction to the Multiverse.

 

[Robo432343]

Definitely not.

Just making a minor correction to the Multiverse.

im confused about the planes because of this statement

it says here that Planes can be infinite expanses of matter and the narrator said planes were infinite

but then ugin said its not

 

[Livinmeme]

im confused about the planes because of this statement

it says here that Planes can be infinite expanses of matter and the narrator said planes were infinite

but then ugin said its not

We have already gone trough this, the multiverse is infinite, the ammount of universes inside it are not.

 

[Udlmaster]

We have already gone trough this, the multiverse is infinite, the ammount of universes inside it are not.

I mean, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

im confused about the planes because of this statement

it says here that Planes can be infinite expanses of matter and the narrator said planes were infinite

but then ugin said its not

Eldrazi destroy Planes when they arrive, very quickly if the Plane isn't as stable (We see Ulamog alone destroy a Plane in the time it takes for 1 brief battle with Nahiri and Sorin vs his Lineage destroy the Plane they were defending)

So the issue here isn't the amount of surface area they can destroy. It's the amount of Planes they can destroy, and the number of Planes is finite.

 

[Voidnether]

Shouldn't this be renamed to like 2-B, possibly 2-A because 1-A is just flat out rejected with the anti-feats that exist in the verse?

 

[Deonment]

if the number of planes are finite the rating should have been 2-B all this time instead of possibly 2-A on the profiles right

Not really, considering how the people who scale to 2-A scale to the multiverse as a whole rather than destroying all planes, so even if the number of planes are finite, the fact is they scale to something that is still at minimum infinite 4D in scope

Shouldn't this be renamed to like 2-B, possibly 2-A because 1-A is just flat out rejected with the anti-feats that exist in the verse?

What?
Nobody scales to the blind eternities or the true forms of the Eldrazi bar like, the ******* Ur Dragon who scales above the entire verse either way (and scales to D&D actually)

 

[Robo432343]

Is MTG canon to DnD??

 

[Qawsedf234]

Is MTG canon to DnD??

They've had official crossovers for both mediums and WotC/Hazbro owns both. But I don't think they're canon to each other currently. But afaik author WoG regarding the products state they're non-canon or at least non-canon on MtG end.

If they were then the Eldrazi would probably just be FR monsters and 1-A in their true forms.

 

[Udlmaster]

Not really, considering how the people who scale to 2-A scale to the multiverse as a whole rather than destroying all planes, so even if the number of planes are finite, the fact is they scale to something that is still at minimum infinite 4D in scope

What?
Nobody scales to the blind eternities or the true forms of the Eldrazi bar like, the ******* Ur Dragon who scales above the entire verse either way (and scales to D&D actually)

Isn't the Ur-Dragon inferior to the Eldrazi Titans?

 

[Deonment]

They've had official crossovers for both mediums and WotC/Hazbro owns both. But I don't think they're canon to each other currently. But afaik author WoG regarding the products state they're non-canon or at least non-canon on MtG end.

I mean, on the side of the WoG, IIRC the only think Mark Rosewater says was that they were still separate multiverses, nothing about canon, meanwhile we have the Strixhaven stuff, Guildmasters Guide to Ravnica, the Theros Adventure, and the multiple free adventures published on D&Ds side, and the two D&D sets (that aren't Universes Beyond like the rest of the crossovers MtG has, all while being black boarder) definitely indicate towards them existing in the same ""setting""

Isn't the Ur-Dragon inferior to the Eldrazi Titans?

I remember reading somewhere that the Ur-Dragon's conceptual/true form (if it even has one and isn't just an abstract being outright) encompasses the totality of the blind eternities, but I can't find it either way, so shrug, ignore that bit and either way, doesn't really change my point

 

[Udlmaster]

I remember reading somewhere that the Ur-Dragon's conceptual/true form (if it even has one and isn't just an abstract being outright) encompasses the totality of the blind eternities, but I can't find it either way, so shrug, ignore that bit and either way, doesn't really change my point

I can't imagine that being true.

The closest I know is that "it's wings that extend across the eternities" but that's just fancy writing to say it travelled across the Blind Eternities, like "its wings blanketed the sky"

 

[Udlmaster]

BTW, I've Platonics in MTG.

My Midas touch to turn all verses I'm interested in to 1-A continues.

I'll keep you posted.