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Equal Stats Tournament 2022: Sanji (One Piece ) vs Vegeta (Dragon Ball)
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That's not what I meant, context blind are we?
The heat obviously ****** him up otherwise he wouldn't need to have replacements and graphing done where he didn't take injuries before (name his flesh around his face.)
There are several areas on his body in which he didn't take damage beforehand. FYI, Broly literally got vaporized by the Sun, while it might not be canon I'm sure there are plenty of other examples to use here.
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Yeah I just saw a anime clip of freiza being retrieved, and he def was pretty injured around the face, so I’d agree now he didn’t tank it well
GodlyCharmander
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Stop. He took a blast from SSJ Goku to the face before getting burried under the ocean, we don't see his state BEFORE the explosion.
Also "several" areas? Man had half his body missing, other than the face, nothing was different. Also, I'll completely ignore the Non-Canon Alternative Timeline argument, that's just shameless.
GodlyCharmander
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Anime is not canon to the manga.
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Sanji's Heat >>> Vegeta's resistance scaling.
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Didn't super goku also need a suit to deal with the heat near the earth's core in super?
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I’m pretty sure manga frieza still needed face cyborg parts
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Well yes, but he apparently tanks it fine after the top in blue
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No I don't think I will.
Said Blast evidently didn't melted the flesh off his face or cause burns on his body. You have zero proof that Freiza was unphased by the explosion heat, and going by Occams Razor we'd assume he was effected by the heat given that he had new injuries namely pieces of his face face needed to be replaced.
Only thing here that's shameless is the amount of reaching being done on Vegeta's side.
GodlyCharmander
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Manga... That's Anime...
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Meh, war started and i wasn't here... i just want to add that Sanji's exo speed amp may drain his stamina fast but he was already fighting for quite some time when he even got to use it, and outside of turning the amp off the stamina lost from it didn't stop him from trashing Queen around.
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GodlyCharmander
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"Evidently"? We don't see the results of said attack.
Also, why are you using Occams Razor? Your claim that the omnidirectional explosion damaged a Freeza - who's ki was so low Goku thought the man was DEAD - specifically in the face based on... nothing? Is a much more absurd one than simply claiming, "blast from far stronger character in the face damaged his face"
I never said Goku's blast BURNED Freeza's face, I said it could have damaged it badly
Spinoirr
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thats super anime goku, this is super manga vegeta
Spinoirr
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ultra ego
The_Legendary_Vin
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I kinda love how this is essentially the argument:
Vegeta: has both Hakai AND his very Aura nerfed
Sanji: Has not a single restriction
Vegeta: has both Hakai AND his very Aura nerfed
Sanji: Has not a single restriction
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Because it's existence erasure which stomps anyone without resistance or equal one-shot hax like it.
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I mean, I wouldn’t nerf hakai, since it’s not a passive, and need to be actively used
The_Legendary_Vin
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Coughs in this Bulls##t one shot heat argument
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Only person who's mentioned Sanji one-shotting with heat is @Rikimarox2, otherwise that hasn't been the major reason for people voting Sanji only that his heat does negate durability.
The_Legendary_Vin
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what's the range of the heat : 3
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once again, assumptions. Mine require far less, thus making yours the weaker of the two.
It's no based on "nothing." so nice blatant dismissal on your part. Goku's ki Blast isn't gonna be dealing that sort of damage to his face whenever Freiza was enduring several attacks from an enraged Goku without heavy damage.
Show me Goku's Ki Blast being the cause of Frieza needing skin graphing. Oh that's right, he didn't.
Which is unsupported and would require you to show such evidence. Again, while not canon the anime can be used as support in cases where the manga is vague, this is one of those cases.
Anyway regardless Vegeta isn't tanking attacks that generate intense heat from within the opponent.
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It's on his leg.
The_Legendary_Vin
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Also, said damage could simply be caused by you know... BEING CAUGHT IN A PLANETARY EXPLOSION
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Skill advantage
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Also Skill Advantage, and far more Stamina.
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The amount he took needs to be calced. I've said this over and over again. Stop using this as a feat when we don't know the results.
The_Legendary_Vin
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So essentially, if he doesn't close the range fast enough, Vegeta could use something like final explosion....
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Uhh possibly more endurance, though that doesn't really matter due to DJ, and IJ. RPL, Shockwaves.... not much really
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His Observation Haki; Future sight (Precognition) as well as many other abilities.
AP amps (Armament Haki, Diable Jambe, Ifrit Jambe)
Speed Amps (Germa Boost, DJ, IJ)
Skill Advantage
Regeneration (High-Low)
Resistance to Blunt force trauma (Punches & Kicks)
Higher LS
Arguably higher stamina and endurance
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Extended Melee combat if we assume Ifrit can explode before actually impacting something, other than that it's not much different from a normal kick when it comes to range... there is foreshadow he will Sanji will pull a King at some point, due to Queen assuming he has Lunarian DNA and that scene where he ignited the floor inside Bege cause he was upset (this part doesn't affect anything here tho, just wanted to add it)
The_Legendary_Vin
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<_<
So literally, since we don't know the exact yieldage, we're going to ignore the fact that he was caught in the force of a planet exploding point blank and say it was heat or something?
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