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Equal Stats Tournament 2022: Sanji (One Piece ) vs Vegeta (Dragon Ball)
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Sanji's speed amp is superior to Vegeta's. He blitzes and boils him.
How is he eating getting his organs burned and electrocuted.
Before the attack is set off, blitz and burn
The entire observation haki section, Vegeta's not handling it
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I heavily disagree with sanji winning. I think we should do a grace.
Vegeta has that (except UI) plus experience fighting against that including UI.
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That's not what Sanji does? Sanji sees the future, emotion and intent sensing is something that's applicable to basic ass Kenbunshoku Haki, and even that's better than Goku's. Basic Kenbunshoku Haki users can read the mind, emotions and intent of high populations.
Again, no Goku's isn't the same. Sanji has precognition, Goku has Analytical Prediction.
Make a CRT to give Goku real precognition or else your arguments are moot. Not to mention you have zero idea on how Kenbunshoku Haki works and that's abundantly evident.
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Vegeta does not have telepathy and does not have experience fighting against telepathy.
Vegeta does not have future sight and does not have experience fighting against future sight.
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Vegeta resists sanji's heat, I explained that in that big post, he can tank lighting and exploding planets. Vegeta can literally react to FTE movement through sheer skill, in fact Goku could move FTE to tien who was comparable to him in speed and tuen could keep up, and the opposite was true. Bruh every instance of someone identifying an afterimage is such, vegeta is reacting to the blitz due to being skilled.
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Vegeta doesn't have mind reading or precognition. Use the profile, not your DBZ fanfic.
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You literally don't even know how hot a exploding planet is, and Sanji can burn those with lightning level resistance.
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Vaping steel is far above anything Vegeta has done or scales to
He's dealing with FTE movement which can sense his moves as well? Nah
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Anyways voting Sanji for the reasons I brought up earlier in the thread.
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Literally at this point Fluffy is just making things up for Vegeta, as far as I'm concerned his vote shouldn't even be taken seriously due to using shit that's not on the profile and intentionally misconstruing what Kenbunshoku Haki is.
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Kenbunshoku users get precognition via intent sensing, that's exactly what Goku does and what vegeta scales to and can fight (keep in mind this android saga goku).
Goku has both and his analytical prediction is better than sanji's too.
He does have telepathy, pretty much everyone in dragon ball could talk to each others minds, heck roshi could do it and he viewed it as a simple task. And Goku could do it bia via intent sensing which vegeta can match.
Their abilites function the same way kenbunshoku users do.
I don't sorry but I'm sure it's hotter than lightning, and lightning level resistance is namek saga tier, super level far surpasses that.
No look above. Yes he is, db characters do that when anyone like Goku does the "fwsh" then disappear behined them and they react. Vegeta literally reacts to Goku who can do that blitz stuff with precognition and analytical prediction.
I'm not, I know now what kenbunshoku is, I was wrong about it a long time ago.
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So Luffy and Katakuri just don't see into the future huh
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with the exception of heroes, They get outhaxed, outskilled, and have terrible heat resistance.
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(Shoulda asked my wall, but yeah)
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First things first, no that's not how it works at all. Intent sensing is it's own separate form of Kenbunshoku Haki. Low tier Kenbunshoku Haki users use intent sensing to predict the opponent's next move, Mid tiers use mind reading and high tiers skip both of these by looking into the literal future. You seriously need to stop spreading this type of misinformation, because yet again you evidently have zero understanding on how Kenbunshoku Haki actually works. This is outright arguing from sheer ignorance.
Make a CRT then, because at the moment none of this is accepted. Use what's on the profiles or don't use them at all.
No the **** they don't.
No not at all. A planet exploding would just spread the temp of the core outwards in an omnidirectional fashion. The core of the planet is around 5-6000 degrees. And since this is spread out it makes it even worse since they aren't exposed to the full thing.
That's good for them, Sanji Massively makes that look like a joke.
Again, Goku does not have Precognition. Goku has Analytical Prediction and it isn't even passive. A sound effect isn't indication of blitzing either.
No you don't and that's something every OP fan will tell you here.
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By the way, why does sanji have advanced haki? He never saw the future before and never stated to be able to.
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See, now, that's bullshit. Vegeta UE would go for hand to hand, get curbstomped (also stronger), then literally just fly away to spam AoE. Sanji can't deal with actual omnidirectional flight.
... Now, that's very important, other than Armament Haki (which he can't use on his whole body), what are some of Sanji durability amps?
Because if Vegeta's AP is getting massively stronger, his blasts are going to do some nasty damage to Sanji.
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databook said he is able to
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Nah according to Fluffy who now knows more about Kenbunshoku than even Rayleigh and Oda himself states that they just sense intent. So I guess we now gotta drop the downgrade hammer on One Piece again.
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He's going hand to hand with someone FTE?
Stronger than the dude with 4 AP amps that starts off with equalized AP?
And he chases him
Dealt with Doflamingo
Who says he can't? And he can just move the location regardless
Armament is fine enough, and the regen from his biology is helping him out
Sanji's AP gets massively stronger as well so idk what you thought was happening
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Sanji shrugged off being impaled in the chest, continued to fight like it was nothing. The last time that happened to Vegeta he died crying. Sanji said that having his ribs and other bones in his body was "a sting." Sanji was running for 2 years straight while having observation haki on to avoid being jumped by the people of Okama Land. We know that haki has a limit, so that would mean Sanji's haki limit scales above Luffy's who was able to fight against Cracker for 11 hours straight iirc. Sanji in the most current arc took a beating from Black Maria, then went to fight King and Queen alongside Marco and get beaten, He carried Zoro around the island for some time, and still had enough stamina to dodge rapid-fire light beams from Queen. After being exhausted he was able to pull off blitzing and using his strongest attacks. Sanji was also able to fight against Kuroobi and beat him after having his body underwent being crushed by high pressure water over and over.
Stop underselling Sanji's stamina
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I didn't know they did mind reading, my bad on that, but Goku's precognition would be on the same level as a low tier kenbunshoku user I guess but it would be much stronger than it was in the android saga. I will try to do a CRT.
I don't know if that's how planet explosions work but how come lighting is that hot? Anyway DB characters would still be able to resist lightning from early on, like the namek saga, there isn't a way in hell a scaling chain from namek to UE vegeta would be smaller than whatever sanji can do.
No sound effects don't matter, comparable opponents in speed can literally vanish from each others sight.
I explained why he can do so, bruh, DJ takes time to start up, Vegeta can just interrupt it with the massive range advantage. Sanji cannot chase vegeta as vegeta can just kiai, he actually has a kiai which is durability negation. Even if sanji hits vegeta while amped, vegeta can easily survive it with his insane resilience then get as exponentially stronger as the damage he took which would overpower even sanji's amp + saiyan RPL.
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Sanji doesn't start with FTE, nor does he need to.
I never said "stronger than Sanji", I just said "Stronger", pay attention and learn basic interpretation, please.
"Dealt"? Doflamingo went for the ship, and Sanji intercepted him. Sanji's flight is inferior, plain and simple.
Chasing is irrelevant.
Tempest, stop treating me like I don't know the series. Sanji CANNOT use full body Haki, I know that. Moving the location is irrelevant to AoE, that's still 80% of his body getting nuked.
So he can't raise his Durability to the same level as his AP, noted.
What?... I'm not comparing Vegeta's AP to Sanji's AP amps. I'm saying that Vegeta's AP gets massive, and thus, his energy attacks would damage Sanji by a very significant margin, and thus, Vegeta has a significant chance of winning.
Let me end by saying, stop "isolating" points of a bigger argument, you inherently miss the overall context. You literally referred to Sanji AP amps multiple times when I was tackling his durability.
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No it doesnt. Not Post timeskip
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Diable Jambe hasn't needed time to start up since his fight with Jabra (edit: and that one time he hit Moria), against Oars and the pacifista he used it instantly.
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Sanji instantly does DJ from like 400 chapters ago.
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Thus, given both sides, who HAVE portrayed their arguments already, I will vote for Vegeta.
While he gets stomped in physical combat, he will get stronger and resort to massive AoE attacks which he has the opportunity to use with his superior mobility/flight, thus, being able to deal with Sanji FTE speed, Observation Haki (as he can't dodge the AoE even if he predicts it), and skill advantage. Sanji's durability doesn't get amped like his AP, even with armament, he couldn't block the full yield of the attack.
The only way Sanji would prevent this wincon is by putting Vegeta down before the latter resorts to AoE Attacks, which I don't think he is capable of doing, Vegeta has very high stamina, and his durability also raises with the damage he takes, thus I think Vegeta wins more likely than not.
While he gets stomped in physical combat, he will get stronger and resort to massive AoE attacks which he has the opportunity to use with his superior mobility/flight, thus, being able to deal with Sanji FTE speed, Observation Haki (as he can't dodge the AoE even if he predicts it), and skill advantage. Sanji's durability doesn't get amped like his AP, even with armament, he couldn't block the full yield of the attack.
The only way Sanji would prevent this wincon is by putting Vegeta down before the latter resorts to AoE Attacks, which I don't think he is capable of doing, Vegeta has very high stamina, and his durability also raises with the damage he takes, thus I think Vegeta wins more likely than not.
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It's fine I don't expect you to know everything now. Sanji's is a high tier, at best Goku's at the current point in time would be around Mid tier Kenbunshoku usage.
And I wouldn't suggest doing that quite yet, take some time to heal up mate. The CRT can wait, your health should genuinely come first.
It is how that works, the core is the hottest part and would expand outwards in an omnidirectional blast. Lightning is that hot because air is a poor conductor of heat, so it gets extremely hot when the electricity (lightning) passes through it.
Sanji scales above something that's hotter than lightning passively and can kick up that temperature with Ifrit. Chain scaling doesn't increase the temperature by a known amount. Sanji's fire is hotter than what DB characters have shown to tank.
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If Vegeta is about to blow shit up, Sanji will use his utmost speed to counter him.
Wtf is "stronger" in the sentence for
Sanji fought him even while he could fly in the air.
You're trying to use inferior flight as a serious argument when that doesn't do much.
You do not know that. Sanji uses invisible Buso, which no one can see when it's being used. Assuming he can't use fullbody haki is a baseless assumption
His durability scales above his AP and he can amp his dura with his armament haki.
I don't know where you got that from.
Then elaborate. It's that simple.
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this thread is still nightmare fuel it seems
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Also arguing that one person is better at flight than the other is ridiculous. It's the same ******* ability, and when both opponents have the same ability like flight one having the "better" flight is meaningless.
Also I'm pretty sure Sanji has up scaling from other Sky Walk user's. Vegeta's flight is also dependent on Ki, so once he runs out of juice say goodbye to flight. Sanji doesn't have this type of weakness with his flight.
Also I'm pretty sure Sanji has up scaling from other Sky Walk user's. Vegeta's flight is also dependent on Ki, so once he runs out of juice say goodbye to flight. Sanji doesn't have this type of weakness with his flight.
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Can you send some Goku precog feats?
Yes, yes it does. Unless you have any higher Vegeta resistance feats, than Sanji's is higher. He is literally able to make plasma/electricity from the pure intensity of his flames.
No he doesn't. Vegeta's attacks can get blocked by haki.
Yes he does. Here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and those are feats that were on the top of my head.
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Oh I almost forgot, Grace.
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Anyways... I've came to end this
Vegeta, even if he spammed AoE, would be countered by precog BS, Vegeta's attacks would dig into his ki reserves, likely causing him to drop from his form faster than shown in the Granolah saga, once that happens, his damage amps vanish, yes, he can reflare it, but not right away, during that interval, Sanji takes the offensive, and dura negates, GG
Vegeta, even if he spammed AoE, would be countered by precog BS, Vegeta's attacks would dig into his ki reserves, likely causing him to drop from his form faster than shown in the Granolah saga, once that happens, his damage amps vanish, yes, he can reflare it, but not right away, during that interval, Sanji takes the offensive, and dura negates, GG
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