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HST in a nutshellIt's funny how the thread went to 4 pages in 4 hours,that rivals uni Bleach threads-level
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HST in a nutshellIt's funny how the thread went to 4 pages in 4 hours,that rivals uni Bleach threads-level
Sanji's speed amp is superior to Vegeta's. He blitzes and boils him.Uh, how? how is he gonna put him down? I countered the heat argument and any damage done to vegeta just makes him exponentially wtronger than sanji causing a very fast and eventual blitz stomp.
How is he eating getting his organs burned and electrocuted.Even if they are durability negation, vegeta eats that.
Before the attack is set off, blitz and burnIn fact how is sanji doing anything about range,
The entire observation haki section, Vegeta's not handling itsanji has no cohnter to the literal vegeta technique tm except precognition which vegeta can answer.
I heavily disagree with sanji winning. I think we should do a grace.Okay since the majority agree at Sanji winning, i would like close this
for....... not spreading more bloodbath than necessary
Vegeta has that (except UI) plus experience fighting against that including UI.Sanji has instinctive reaction too.
Sanji also has telepathy.
He also has precognition.
He also has ESP and Enhanced Senses.
Yeah outside of the nukes, he's not getting touched
That's not what Sanji does? Sanji sees the future, emotion and intent sensing is something that's applicable to basic ass Kenbunshoku Haki, and even that's better than Goku's. Basic Kenbunshoku Haki users can read the mind, emotions and intent of high populations.Yes he does, I thought I made it clear in my post, you probably didn't read that. Android saga goku has the exact same type of precognition as sanji whichbos intent sensing, plus his own analytical prediction which is even stronger than sanji's being able to read hits moves and sanji matches him in combat. UE Vegeta far surpasses that in terms of skill.
Vegeta does not have telepathy and does not have experience fighting against telepathy.Vegeta has that (except UI) plus experience fighting against that including UI.
Vegeta resists sanji's heat, I explained that in that big post, he can tank lighting and exploding planets. Vegeta can literally react to FTE movement through sheer skill, in fact Goku could move FTE to tien who was comparable to him in speed and tuen could keep up, and the opposite was true. Bruh every instance of someone identifying an afterimage is such, vegeta is reacting to the blitz due to being skilled.Sanji's speed amp is superior to Vegeta's. He blitzes and boils him.
How is he eating getting his organs burned and electrocuted.
Before the attack is set off, blitz and burn
The entire observation haki section, Vegeta's not handling it
Vegeta doesn't have mind reading or precognition. Use the profile, not your DBZ fanfic.Vegeta has that (except UI) plus experience fighting against that including UI.
You literally don't even know how hot a exploding planet is, and Sanji can burn those with lightning level resistance.Vegeta resists sanji's heat, I explained that in that big post, he can tank lighting and exploding planets.
Vaping steel is far above anything Vegeta has done or scales toVegeta resists sanji's heat, I explained that in that big post, he can tank lighting and exploding planets.
He's dealing with FTE movement which can sense his moves as well? NahVegeta can literally react to FTE movement through sheer skill, in fact Goku could move FTE to tien who was comparable to him in speed and tuen could keep up, and the opposite was true. Bruh every instance of someone identifying an afterimage is such, vegeta is reacting to the blitz due to being skilled.
Kenbunshoku users get precognition via intent sensing, that's exactly what Goku does and what vegeta scales to and can fight (keep in mind this android saga goku).That's not what Sanji does? Sanji sees the future, emotion and intent sensing is something that's applicable to basic ass Kenbunshoku Haki, and even that's better than Goku's. Basic Kenbunshoku Haki users can read the mind, emotions and intent of high populations.
Again, no Goku's isn't the same. Sanji has precognition, Goku has Analytical Prediction.
Make a CRT to give Goku real precognition or else your arguments are moot. Not to mention you have zero idea on how Kenbunshoku Haki works and that's abundantly evident.
He does have telepathy, pretty much everyone in dragon ball could talk to each others minds, heck roshi could do it and he viewed it as a simple task. And Goku could do it bia via intent sensing which vegeta can match.Vegeta does not have telepathy and does not have experience fighting against telepathy.
Vegeta does not have future sight and does not have experience fighting against future sight.
Their abilites function the same way kenbunshoku users do.Vegeta doesn't have mind reading or precognition. Use the profile, not your DBZ fanfic.
I don't sorry but I'm sure it's hotter than lightning, and lightning level resistance is namek saga tier, super level far surpasses that.You literally don't even know how hot a exploding planet is, and Sanji can burn those with lightning level resistance.
No look above. Yes he is, db characters do that when anyone like Goku does the "fwsh" then disappear behined them and they react. Vegeta literally reacts to Goku who can do that blitz stuff with precognition and analytical prediction.Vaping steel is far above anything Vegeta has done or scales to
He's dealing with FTE movement which can sense his moves as well? Nah
I'm not, I know now what kenbunshoku is, I was wrong about it a long time ago.Literally at this point Fluffy is just making things up for Vegeta, as far as I'm concerned his vote shouldn't even be taken seriously due to using shit that's not on the profile and intentionally misconstruing what Kenbunshoku Haki is.
Hey Tempest can you vote here?So Luffy and Katakuri just don't see into the future huh
with the exception of heroes, They get outhaxed, outskilled, and have terrible heat resistance.Why is that?
(Shoulda asked my wall, but yeah)
First things first, no that's not how it works at all. Intent sensing is it's own separate form of Kenbunshoku Haki. Low tier Kenbunshoku Haki users use intent sensing to predict the opponent's next move, Mid tiers use mind reading and high tiers skip both of these by looking into the literal future. You seriously need to stop spreading this type of misinformation, because yet again you evidently have zero understanding on how Kenbunshoku Haki actually works. This is outright arguing from sheer ignorance.Kenbunshoku users get precognition via intent sensing, that's exactly what Goku does and what vegeta scales to and can fight (keep in mind this android saga goku).
Goku has both and his analytical prediction is better than sanji's too.
Make a CRT then, because at the moment none of this is accepted. Use what's on the profiles or don't use them at all.He does have telepathy, pretty much everyone in dragon ball could talk to each others minds, heck roshi could do it and he viewed it as a simple task. And Goku could do it bia via intent sensing which vegeta can match.
No the **** they don't.Their abilites function the same way kenbunshoku users do.
No not at all. A planet exploding would just spread the temp of the core outwards in an omnidirectional fashion. The core of the planet is around 5-6000 degrees. And since this is spread out it makes it even worse since they aren't exposed to the full thing.I don't sorry but I'm sure it's hotter than lightning, and lightning level resistance is namek saga tier, super level far surpasses that.
Again, Goku does not have Precognition. Goku has Analytical Prediction and it isn't even passive. A sound effect isn't indication of blitzing either.No look above. Yes he is, db characters do that when anyone like Goku does the "fwsh" then disappear behined them and they react. Vegeta literally reacts to Goku who can do that blitz stuff with precognition and analytical prediction.
No you don't and that's something every OP fan will tell you here.I'm not, I know now what kenbunshoku is, I was wrong about it a long time ago.
By the way, why does sanji have advanced haki? He never saw the future before and never stated to be able to.So Luffy and Katakuri just don't see into the future huh
See, now, that's bullshit. Vegeta UE would go for hand to hand, get curbstomped (also stronger), then literally just fly away to spam AoE. Sanji can't deal with actual omnidirectional flight.He's putting down Vegeta before the AOE attacks happens
databook said he is able toBy the way, why does sanji have advanced haki? He never saw the future before and never stated to be able to.
Nah according to Fluffy who now knows more about Kenbunshoku than even Rayleigh and Oda himself states that they just sense intent. So I guess we now gotta drop the downgrade hammer on One Piece again.So Luffy and Katakuri just don't see into the future huh
He's going hand to hand with someone FTE?Vegeta UE would go for hand to hand
Stronger than the dude with 4 AP amps that starts off with equalized AP?, get curbstomped (also stronger)
And he chases him, then literally just fly away to spam AoE
Dealt with Doflamingo. Sanji can't deal with actual omnidirectional flight.
Who says he can't? And he can just move the location regardless... Now, that's very important, other than Armament Haki (which he can't use on his whole body)
Armament is fine enough, and the regen from his biology is helping him outwhat are some of Sanji durability amps?
Sanji's AP gets massively stronger as well so idk what you thought was happeningBecause if Vegeta's AP is getting massively stronger, his blasts are going to do some nasty damage to Sanji.
Sanji shrugged off being impaled in the chest, continued to fight like it was nothing. The last time that happened to Vegeta he died crying. Sanji said that having his ribs and other bones in his body was "a sting." Sanji was running for 2 years straight while having observation haki on to avoid being jumped by the people of Okama Land. We know that haki has a limit, so that would mean Sanji's haki limit scales above Luffy's who was able to fight against Cracker for 11 hours straight iirc. Sanji in the most current arc took a beating from Black Maria, then went to fight King and Queen alongside Marco and get beaten, He carried Zoro around the island for some time, and still had enough stamina to dodge rapid-fire light beams from Queen. After being exhausted he was able to pull off blitzing and using his strongest attacks. Sanji was also able to fight against Kuroobi and beat him after having his body underwent being crushed by high pressure water over and over.We never see the full fight of ultra ego and it never has a stamina drain this means it scales to his regular stamina to which he can fight and train for days, don't even get me started on his will power and pain resitance, vegeta's stamina is absolutely bonkers, just as an example is the saiyan saga fight where he got beat up by Goku and was bleeding internally and shit then got clapped by the spirit bomb and was even more broken than before yet could still fight then got his back cut and then completely crushed by Gohan and was still conscious and able to move. Another example is getting his organs destroyed by granolah and laughing, hell in the same fight he was fighting with damaged organs for a long time.
I didn't know they did mind reading, my bad on that, but Goku's precognition would be on the same level as a low tier kenbunshoku user I guess but it would be much stronger than it was in the android saga. I will try to do a CRT.First things first, no that's not how it works at all. Intent sensing is it's own separate form of Kenbunshoku Haki. Low tier Kenbunshoku Haki users use intent sensing to predict the opponent's next move, Mid tiers use mind reading and high tiers skip both of these by looking into the literal future. You seriously need to stop spreading this type of misinformation, because yet again you evidently have zero understanding on how Kenbunshoku Haki actually works. This is outright arguing from sheer ignorance.
Make a CRT then, because at the moment none of this is accepted. Use what's on the profiles or don't use them at all.
No the **** they don't.
No not at all. A planet exploding would just spread the temp of the core outwards in an omnidirectional fashion. The core of the planet is around 5-6000 degrees.
That's good for them, Sanji Massively makes that look like a joke.
Again, Goku does not have Precognition. Goku has Analytical Prediction and it isn't even passive. A sound effect isn't indication of blitzing either.
No you don't and that's something every OP fan will tell you here.
I explained why he can do so, bruh, DJ takes time to start up, Vegeta can just interrupt it with the massive range advantage. Sanji cannot chase vegeta as vegeta can just kiai, he actually has a kiai which is durability negation. Even if sanji hits vegeta while amped, vegeta can easily survive it with his insane resilience then get as exponentially stronger as the damage he took which would overpower even sanji's amp + saiyan RPL.He's going hand to hand with someone FTE?
Stronger than the dude with 4 AP amps that starts off with equalized AP?
And he chases him
Dealt with Doflamingo
Who says he can't? And he can just move the location regardless
Armament is fine enough, and the regen from his biology is helping him out
Sanji's AP gets massively stronger as well so idk what you thought was happening
Sanji doesn't start with FTE, nor does he need to.He's going hand to hand with someone FTE?
I never said "stronger than Sanji", I just said "Stronger", pay attention and learn basic interpretation, please.Stronger than the dude with 4 AP amps that starts off with equalized AP?
"Dealt"? Doflamingo went for the ship, and Sanji intercepted him. Sanji's flight is inferior, plain and simple.And he chases him
Dealt with Doflamingo
Tempest, stop treating me like I don't know the series. Sanji CANNOT use full body Haki, I know that. Moving the location is irrelevant to AoE, that's still 80% of his body getting nuked.Who says he can't? And he can just move the location regardless.
So he can't raise his Durability to the same level as his AP, noted.Armament is fine enough, and the regen from his biology is helping him out.
What?... I'm not comparing Vegeta's AP to Sanji's AP amps. I'm saying that Vegeta's AP gets massive, and thus, his energy attacks would damage Sanji by a very significant margin, and thus, Vegeta has a significant chance of winning.Sanji's AP gets massively stronger as well so idk what you thought was happening
No it doesnt. Not Post timeskipDJ takes time to start up
Sanji instantly does DJ from like 400 chapters ago.DJ takes time to start up
It's fine I don't expect you to know everything now. Sanji's is a high tier, at best Goku's at the current point in time would be around Mid tier Kenbunshoku usage.didn't know they did mind reading, my bad on that, but Goku's precognition would be on the same level as a low tier kenbunshoku user I guess but it would be much stronger than it was in the android saga. I will try to do a CRT.
It is how that works, the core is the hottest part and would expand outwards in an omnidirectional blast. Lightning is that hot because air is a poor conductor of heat, so it gets extremely hot when the electricity (lightning) passes through it.I don't know if that's how planet explosions work but how come lighting is that hot? Anyway DB characters would still be able to resist lightning from early on, like the namek saga, there isn't a way in hell a scaling chain from namek to UE vegeta would be smaller than whatever sanji can do.
If Vegeta is about to blow shit up, Sanji will use his utmost speed to counter him.Sanji doesn't start with FTE, nor does he need to.
Wtf is "stronger" in the sentence forI never said "stronger than Sanji", I just said "Stronger", pay attention and learn basic interpretation, please.
Sanji fought him even while he could fly in the air."Dealt"? Doflamingo went for the ship, and Sanji intercepted him. Sanji's flight is inferior, plain and simple.
Chasing is irrelevant.
You do not know that. Sanji uses invisible Buso, which no one can see when it's being used. Assuming he can't use fullbody haki is a baseless assumptionTempest, stop treating me like I don't know the series. Sanji CANNOT use full body Haki, I know that. Moving the location is irrelevant to AoE, that's still 80% of his body getting nuked.
His durability scales above his AP and he can amp his dura with his armament haki.So he can't raise his Durability to the same level as his AP, noted.
Then elaborate. It's that simple.What?... I'm not comparing Vegeta's AP to Sanji's AP amps. I'm saying that Vegeta's AP gets massive, and thus, his energy attacks would damage Sanji by a very significant margin, and thus, Vegeta has a significant chance of winning.
Let me end by saying, stop "isolating" points of a bigger argument, you inherently miss the overall context. You literally referred to Sanji AP amps multiple times when I was tackling his durability.
Can you send some Goku precog feats?my bad on that, but Goku's precognition would be on the same level as a low tier kenbunshoku user I guess but it would be much stronger than it was in the android saga. I will try to do a CRT.
Yes, yes it does. Unless you have any higher Vegeta resistance feats, than Sanji's is higher. He is literally able to make plasma/electricity from the pure intensity of his flames.I don't know if that's how planet explosions work but how come lighting is that hot? Anyway DB characters would still be able to resist lightning from early on, like the namek saga, there isn't a way in hell a scaling chain from namek to UE vegeta would be smaller than whatever sanji can do
No he doesn't. Vegeta's attacks can get blocked by haki.saying that Vegeta's AP gets massive, and thus, his energy attacks would damage Sanji by a very significant margin, and thus, Vegeta has a significant chance of winning.
Yes he does. Here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and those are feats that were on the top of my head.Sanji doesn't start with FTE, nor does he need to.