Equal Stats Tournament 2022: Sanji (One Piece ) vs Vegeta (Dragon Ball)

[GodlyCharmander]

If Vegeta is about to blow shit up, Sanji will use his utmost speed to counter him.

What?... Are you even absorbing what I am trying to convey?

Vegeta would go for hand to hand, Sanji doesn't need FTE to deal with that, so he would just stomp Vegeta at that.

Wtf is "stronger" in the sentence for.

To say that Vegeta gets stronger by getting hurt. Did you not know that stronger can refer to oneself without comparing to someone else.

Sanji fought him even while he could fly in the air.

You're trying to use inferior flight as a serious argument when that doesn't do much.

Huh? I used it to say Vegeta can effectively fly away from Sanji and spam Ki Attacks.

You do not know that. Sanji uses invisible Buso, which no one can see when it's being used. Assuming he can't use fullbody haki is a baseless assumption, especially.

AHAHA! Oh that's funny, Tempest.

Alright, show me Sanji using that.

If he never used that in the entire history of the manga, then he cannot use it. It's not an assumption, I'm in the negative, saying he can't based off nothing is a baseless assumption.

His durability scales above his AP and he can amp his dura with his armament haki.

I don't know where you got that from.

His base AP? Or his amped AP?

Then enunciate. It's that simple.

I did, in a big, explained contextualized argument, which you broke down, thus, missing the context.

Also arguing that one person is better at flight than the other is ridiculous. It's the same ******* ability, and when both opponents have the same ability like flight one having the "better" flight is meaningless.



Also I'm pretty sure Sanji has up scaling from other Sky Walk user's. Vegeta's flight is also dependent on Ki, so once he runs out of juice say goodbye to flight. Sanji doesn't have this type of weakness with his flight.

What kind of argument is that? It's PSEUDO Flight that requires one to kick the air to propel themselves vs actual flight that negates the effects of gravity and have full 3D movement.

Flight requires negligible Ki, non-existent amounts, in fact. Not an argument.

 

[Kachon123]

I used it to say Vegeta can effectively fly away from Sanji and spam Ki Attacks.

Sanji can chase him. Better maneuverability doesn't meant that Sanji can't chase him.

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

My vote is for Sanji, unless he gets precog nerfed away

 

[Kachon123]

My vote is for Sanji, unless he gets precog nerfed away

Precog as in Ken haki as a whole? Or just FS?

 

[LordGinSama]

requires one to kick the air to propel themselves vs actual flight that negates the effects of gravity and have full 3D movement

You do realize Sanji doesn't need to consistently kick to fly right? He can remain airborne and move just fine in suspended air without the actual need to kick the air, and even then kicking the air is negligible much as you said that Vegeta's is.


Shit even people like Zoro have no problem in fighting against Air borne opponents like King while lacking flight himself. Vegeta having true flight is an absolute non factor.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

No he doesn't. Vegeta's attacks can get blocked by haki.

Oh yes, the city-engulfing attack is getting its damaged blocked by Haki on his arms!

Yes he does. Here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and those are feats that were on the top of my head.

START with, and two were the same fight, and the other ones are just him being overwhelmingly faster than the opponent and attacking him, he can't do that to Vegeta. I am referring to Sanji's FTE amp from his Post Awakening key, exclusively.

 

[LordGinSama]

Sanji can chase him. Better maneuverability doesn't meant that Sanji can't chase him.

Not even sure about that part, considering Sanji's insane Acrobatics. Sanji is definitely the more agile out of the two.

 

[KingTempest]

What?... Are you even absorbing what I am trying to convey?

Vegeta would go for hand to hand, Sanji doesn't need FTE to deal with that, so he would just stomp Vegeta at that.

Hand to hand with my ass if Sanji's constantly FTE Vegeta's not doing much

To say that Vegeta gets stronger by getting hurt. Did you not know that stronger can refer to oneself without comparing to someone else.

Then say "he gets stronger" instead of

get curbstomped (also stronger)

Like what the ****

Huh? I used it to say Vegeta can effectively fly away from Sanji and spam Ki Attacks.

AHAHA! Oh that's funny, Tempest.

Alright, show me Sanji using that.

If he never used that in the entire history of the manga, then he cannot use it. It's not an assumption, I'm in the negative, saying he can't based off nothing is a baseless assumption.

WE CAN'T since IT'S INVISIBLE. ****.

Unless you think this can count

His base AP? Or his amped AP?

His amped AP.

I did, in a big, explained contextualized argument, which you broke down, thus, missing the context.

You drastically failed to.

 

[Kachon123]

Not even sure about that part, considering Sanji's insane Acrobatics. Sanji is definitely the more agile out of the two.

I'm talking about strictly flight-wise.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

You do realize Sanji doesn't need to consistently kick to fly right? He can remain airborne and move just fine in suspended air without the actual need to kick the air, and even then kicking the air is negligible much as you said that Vegeta's is.


Shit even people like Zoro have no problem in fighting against Air borne opponents like King while lacking flight himself. Vegeta having true flight is an absolute non factor.

What? I am saying Vegeta can fly AWAY from Sanji faster than he can chase him due to his superior flight. What kind of distortion is that?

 

[LordGinSama]

Also anyone wanna show me Vegeta ever enduring attacks that target his innards and continuing to fight? Because with each DJ attack that hits Vegeta he'll have his insides exposed to intense heat.

 

[LordGinSama]

What? I am saying Vegeta can fly AWAY from Sanji faster than he can chase him due to his superior flight. What kind of distortion is that?

And Sanji has speed amps.


What kind of ignorance is this?

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Regardless, this argument Im so done with, so Imma be comedy relief duty from now on, and clown people

 

[StekFence]

Also anyone wanna show me Vegeta ever enduring attacks that target his innards and continuing to fight? Because with each DJ attack that hits Vegeta he'll have his insides exposed to intense heat.

I think granolas targets vital parts, but with physical and energy attacks, instead of heat

 

[LordGinSama]

I also remember the time Vegeta tanked getting his organs burnt to a crisp then proceeded to beat the shit out of his opponent.

 

[StekFence]

Uh. Ye sure

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Hit.

Vital strike (Vegeta got his ass beat)

 

[LordGinSama]

I think granolas targets vital parts, but with physical and energy attacks, instead of heat

Those are pressure points, they target nerves and not organs. Also a lot different than heat passing through your innards.

 

[Eminiteable]

What? I am saying Vegeta can fly AWAY from Sanji faster than he can chase him due to his superior flight. What kind of distortion is that?

Ive been wondering, is it even in character for current Vegeta to run away and just try win by spamming attacks from a distance.

 

[StekFence]

Those are pressure points, they target nerves and not organs. Also a lot different than heat passing through your innards.

Oh I wasn’t trying to compare them, just name the closest example

 

[LordGinSama]

Ive been wondering, is it even in character for current Vegeta to run away and just try win by spamming attacks from a distance.

Nope Vegeta IC goes for hand to hand.

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Ive been wondering, is it even in character for current Vegeta to run away and just try win by spamming attacks from a distance.

It's only in character when he is absolutely livid or desperate, but never to run

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Hand to hand with my ass if Sanji's constantly FTE Vegeta's not doing much.

Tempest, what kind of world are you in? I said Vegeta would opt for Hand to Hand combat, never said he'd WIN in that regard. Au contraire, I said Vegeta gets stomped.

Then say "he gets stronger" instead of

Like what the ****

"He gets curbstomped (also stronger)"
Stop trying to excuse your poor interpretation, it's laughable.

WE CAN'T since IT'S INVISIBLE. ****.

Unless you think this can count.

WHAT? You are ASSUMING he can then. No evidence, therefore he can't.

It's not rocket science, Tempest. ******* hell...

His amped AP.

Huh? Based on what?

You drastically failed to.

sigh

 

[StekFence]

Ive been wondering, is it even in character for current Vegeta to run away and just try win by spamming attacks from a distance.

He does spam energy blasts a lot, but it never works

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Except for movie Vegeta with Z broly

 

[Eminiteable]

He does spam energy blasts a lot, but it never works

Yeah I remember he has his various barrages, I just don't remember any instances of the current Vegeta ever running away and trying to keep distance from his opponent.

 

[Kachon123]

If he never used that in the entire history of the manga, then he cannot use it. It's not an assumption, I'm in the negative, saying he can't based off nothing is a baseless assumption.

 

[KingTempest]

this shit funny

Anyways...

 

[Kachon123]

WHAT? You are ASSUMING he can then. No evidence, therefore he can't.

For you.

 

[LordGinSama]

Superman ***** up Goku btw

 

[Kachon123]

Superman ***** up Goku btw

Sanji stomps both.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Superman ***** up Goku btw

the truth hurts

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Superman ***** up Goku btw

Yes

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

Shard Vin solos all

 

[Shadyboi0]

Optimus>All of DB

 

[StekFence]

Optimus>All of DB

There is an optimus who does render that true

 

[LordGinSama]

Chill before AKM comes to defend his husbando's honor

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Ive been wondering, is it even in character for current Vegeta to run away and just try win by spamming attacks from a distance.

Run away? Nope. Take distance when he's getting overwhelmed? Absolutely.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

For you.

Kachon... I said full body haki. What's wrong with everyone today?

 

[The_Legendary_Vin]

As a warning, if you ever do a debate with the Cosmere, I will be soundly biased