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Reactive evolution, where?Ultra Ego Vegeta, apparently.
I'm sorry, but Ultra Ego probably outlasts, and eventually overpowers Sanji due to his reactive power level, and reactive evolution. Vegeta also has far more reliable hax to deal with Sanji from a distance, like Ki Attacks with explosions far too wide for Sanji to dodge it in a short burst. Vegeta is a better Martial Artist than Sanji is, so Sanji wouldn't really do much in a hand-to-hand combat.
Also, Hakai.
Sorry, but I just don't see how Sanji even wins against Ultra Ego Vegeta, so I'll vote for Vegeta.
War ! Chaos !I come back, and this shit has already reached 5 pages.
Wtf happened?
I realized you said this, this isn't true, not all of it.Vegeta and Goku have never overpowered I.R that's 6x to 8x above baseline.
Vegeta and Goku have never unlocked 2 forms of Analytical Prediction.
Vegeta and Goku have never kept up with blatantly FTE opponents.
Vegeta and Goku have never created martial arts on the spot.
Thank you man, really. I'm a lot better now. I can write with two hands.It's fine I don't expect you to know everything now. Sanji's is a high tier, at best Goku's at the current point in time would be around Mid tier Kenbunshoku usage.
And I wouldn't suggest doing that quite yet, take some time to heal up mate. The CRT can wait, your health should genuinely come first.
It is how that works, the core is the hottest part and would expand outwards in an omnidirectional blast. Lightning is that hot because air is a poor conductor of heat, so it gets extremely hot when the electricity (lightning) passes through it.
Sanji scales above something that's hotter than lightning passively and can kick up that temperature with Ifrit. Chain scaling doesn't increase the temperature by a known amount. Sanji's fire is hotter than what DB characters have shown to tank.
Sure. Predicts super skilled assassin and martial artist moves in time stop.Can you send some Goku precog feats?
Yes, yes it does. Unless you have any higher Vegeta resistance feats, than Sanji's is higher. He is literally able to make plasma/electricity from the pure intensity of his flames.
No he doesn't. Vegeta's attacks can get blocked by haki.
Yes he does. Here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and those are feats that were on the top of my head.
Sure. Predicts super skilled assassin and martial artist moves in time stop.
And this is precognition, reading an opponents intentions to know their next move.
No one asked bruh...Galick Gun > Kamehameha
Cope
That's true, I didn't say it was precognition.The scans with hit is just analytical prediction. Precog is literally seeing in the future. Goku didn't do that in the feat you sent.
As for the second one, that extrasensory perception and/or information analysis. Goku sensed his ki (extrasensory), then sensed that it had no animosity (information analysis)
Wasn't talking to you in the first place, was talking to fluffyNo one asked bruh...
No they don't Precognition and Analytical Prediction are two very different subsets. Goku doesn't predict the future via means of future sight, mind reading or any other means that would grant actual Precognition. They have Analytical Prediction based on intent sensing, amongst natural Sayian ability to sense Ki and vibrations in the air.realized you said this, this isn't true, not all of it.
Goku and vegeta have both analytical prediction and precognition at the same time, as well as keep up with granolah who has his own analytical prediction which can predict teleportation.
Scans for their opponents being faster than them? Because I genuinely don't remember Goku and Vegeta ever facing against opponents who could blitz them consistently without the aid of short term Boosts.Goku and vegeta have actually kept up with FTE opponents, they do that every single time someone uses the afterimage,
Tien hardly fought Goku seriously, Goku was literally trolling him during the Tournament whenever he got Semi serious.or when how tienshinhan's 3 eyes were barely able to keep up with Goku's speed yet he still equally fought him
Because Goku was always the faster of the two? He just didn't bother using his full speed at the start, hence why Tien needed to use the Solar Flare and Goku just literally went "lol" and Blitzed it. Tien at no point actually "Blitzed" Goku in a legitimate sense since Goku was holding back.and so did Goku do vice versa. Or when tien was blitzing Goku yet Goku still keeping up with his senses,
By sensing, and using a Gohan who's essentially fodder as a child isn't exactly what I'd call evidence of every DB character being able to see past blitzing. Or else Vegeta wouldn't have any issues with Goku rocking his shit mid sentence with the Kaio-ken amps.in fact, Gohan was unable to keep up with yamcha and saibaman using only his eyes, but piccolo told him that he needs to sense their ki to be able to see them proving that db characters are actually able to keep up with opponents FTE to them
But doesn't sanji also upscale unquantifiably he just >>> lightning resistance due to burning people who resist it, same with DB characters.
Creating a technique isn't the same as creating as new Martial Arts.Goku has actually made up martial arts on the spot, he literally came up with a technique on the spot in his fight with nam,
You mean the fodder style that he doesn't even use anymore and the same style that has a shit ton of blatant telegraphing?as well as created a completely new martial arts style called crazy fist after roshi used his drunken fist on him,
The Kamehameha is not a Martial Arts. It's a blast of energy that anyone can learn, its not something that utilizes Hand to Hand combat.he also copied and improved a myriad of martial art techniques including but not limited to the kamehameha
Which again, are mostly energy based techniques. That isn't a Martial arts feat, might be good for Goku's Accelerated Development but ultimately isn't good for Hand to hand scaling.and it's variants, the after image and it's bluff version, the taiyoken, the sokidan (and mixed it with kamehameha), and vegeta's technqiues are all self taught and his weakest, the galik gun, rivals the kamehameha.
HAHAHAHAHAH! AHA... AHA... AH...DB Analytical Prediction works by sensing intent within one's Ki, and Sanji does not have Ki. Haki and Ki cannot be equalized so that cripples Vegeta's AP.
Ah so that's how we treat Chi/Ki stuff here?No, Sanji does have Ki, Ki is life force of any form of life in DB, and in general based on Chinese/Japanese Beliefs. Verse Equalization absolutely applies, it DOESN'T need to equalize Haki to Ki for that to be the case.
That only applies to Vs Matches, I believe.Ah so that's how we treat Chi/Ki stuff here?
Damn, that buffs quite a bit of profiles I have made, then.
Nice job laughing as if your correct despite being wrong as ****.HAHAHAHAHAH! AHA... AHA... AH...
Sanji absolutely does not have Ki, this is your complete and total headcanon. Your really out here trying to apply another ******* enegry group to one that's already existent and entirely different.No, Sanji does have Ki, Ki is life force of any form of life in DB, and in general based on Chinese/Japanese Beliefs. Verse Equalization absolutely applies, it DOESN'T need to equalize Haki to Ki for that to be the case.
Nope he's wrong as could be there.Ah so that's how we treat Chi/Ki stuff here?
Damn, that buffs quite a bit of profiles I have made, then.
It doesn't have to be Life-Force, it just has to be energy.Equalization works highly on a case-by-case basis, so many relevant cases should be discussed in the versus thread itself.
So once again this is a direct result of some user who thinks they know what they're talking about despite them being absolutely clueless in actuality.
Shit also got brought up here. Sanji would have Ki if Haki were to be a Life-Force or if there were a Life-Force energy system in One Piece but there isn't. You can die from overusing Ki, overusing Haki won't kill you.
Similar energies. Ki is a life force, Haki is not.It doesn't have to be Life-Force, it just has to be energy.
Working differently is absolutely an argument. That's literally the entire point of Verse Equalization, they need to be similar in order for them to crossover. The abundant amount of mental gymnastics being done by you here is genuinely mind boggling.Working differently is not an argument, we can still equalize it to some extent, sensing their energy, which Haki IS, is perfectly reasonable.
Chakra and Ki ar
No, not at all. The pages exist for a ******* reason genius.e equalized literally all the ******* time despite working differently.
I wouldn't suggest telling people to stop clowning around whenever you yourself are the entire ******* circus mate.Now stop clowning around, and just wait until grace is over.
Confirmation Bias taken out of nowhere.Similar energies. Ki is a life force, Haki is not.
Ooooo, who's gonna tell him?Working differently is absolutely an argument. + some weird denial tangent.
I wouldn't suggest telling people to stop clowning around whenever you yourself are the entire ******* circus mate.
You think you're really smart, huh?And adding 2 scans together from 2 different series without giving context ain't gonna cut it.
They are not. Haki is spirital energy, which Ki includes. Ki users can sense the presence of Haki users. The equalization I am suggesting stops literally there.Haki is not a Chi group, Ki on the other hand is. Haki and Ki are fundamentally different.
They don't have to be.Haki is not a universal enegry system, Ki is.
They don't have to be based on the same thing.Ki is not based upon the user's Willpower, Haki is.
They don't have to produce the same thing. Haki is a form of energy.Ki produces enegry, Haki doesn't.
LMFAO, Since when the energies need to ******* allow the same techniques in order to be equalized? What kind of stupidity is that?Ki can allow you to fly, Haki doesn't.
Irrelevant. It doesn't have to have the same consequences on the user. It just has to be a form of energy. And you can run out of Haki.Overusing Ki will kill you, Haki doesn't.
"WELL, HAKI DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO FLY, SO NO EQUALIZATION"Again this is you playing a game of mental gymnastics.
I am not trying to claim they are the same.Chi and Haki isn't even close in being the same... They just have a similar reference for them
I think that's how you describe it...
I am not suggesting total equalization, Gin literally distorted that so it can fit his narrative. I am just countering the man saying Ki Detection would be useless against Haki Users, which is not the case.So because they are a spiritual energy they can get equalized?
So that means all spiritual energy gets verse equalized
Iirc I did make a qna thread for this, and I believe that yes, if one energy is spiritual energy, while the other is spiritual and physical energy, then they get equalized.So because they are a spiritual energy they can get equalized?
So that means all spiritual energy gets verse equalized
Depends on how that ki detection works...I am not suggesting total equalization, Gin literally distorted that so it can fit his narrative. I am just countering the man saying Ki Detection would be useless against Haki Users, which is not the case.
Requirements: Have any form of physical, mental or spiritual energy.Depends on how that ki detection works...
It is Grace, but ego's gotta ego.How is this still happening and not Grace? Sanji has 14 votes left, just go to the next fight lol.
They said if both were life force... Which haki isn't btw.Iirc I did make a qna thread for this, and I believe that yes, if one energy is spiritual energy, while the other is spiritual and physical energy, then they get equalized.
I could be mistaken, but it was something along that line.
So even stands? From jojoRequirements: Have any form of physical, mental or spiritual energy.
Then they can sense your presence, and read your power level.
Probably. We'd have to discuss that in a JoJo vs DB match, but I believe it was equalized before.So even stands? From jojo
Haki is not spiritual, anyone who's familiar with the series knows what the term "spirit" refers to Will as how that's how it's translated from Japanese.Confirmation Bias taken out of nowhere.
Ki includes Life-Force, sure, but it's pure latent energy, spiritual and physical energy.
Haki is spiritual energy, as literally explained by Rayleigh.
God's arguments weren't even accepted so once again, this is you failing to understand obviously clear context.
No actually it isn't. There is no equalization if there's no similarities between said groups, and Haki isn't even an energy nor is it spiritual. It's stemmed from one's own will power, not the soul.Having similarities is more than enough to a slight equalization.
I find it hilarious that's it's 2022 and your still out here using Filthy Frank memes unironically like your 12. Lmao even George thinks that shit is cringe.
Smater than you? For damn sure. You're literally the same clown who thinks Haki is spiritual energy, despite spiritual referring to Will power. Doesn't take a lot to look up previous CRT's about Haki to see how spiritual energy got debunked.You think you're really smart, huh?
"Oh, it's the context!! I won't elaborate further though "
No I don't think i will actually. And that just makes your argument collapse on itself, Haki isn't spiritual its based on will. In Japanese the term spirit often is in reference to the term will. So once again, your ignorance is showing no limit.Nope, either elaborate or keep quiet. Gohan literally explains that Ki is literally just energy, and latent power. Which applies for both physical and spiritual energy, as ghosts can use Chi as well.
No it isn't. Show me Haki being accepted as Soul Manipulation anywhere here because that's been debunked countless amounts of times. Spiritual energy is in reference to enegry stemmed from Willpower, not in the literal sense.They are not. Haki is spirital energy, which Ki includes. Ki users can sense the presence of Haki users. The equalization I am suggesting stops literally there.
They absolutely do.They don't have to be.
They do, that's like me equalizing Magic in Black Clover to Reiatsu or me saying Deku can resist RC despite the two energy groups being very different from one another.They don't have to be based on the same thing.
Haki is not a form of enegry, Haki is a power stemmed from your own will power. There's no enegry involved in Haki's mechanics.They don't have to produce the same thing. Haki is a form of energy.
I never said they need to follow the same techniques? What I'm talking about is how they're fundamentally different from mechanics extending to the techniques and abilities they can grant. So you can kindly take your dog shit reading comprehension out of here.LMFAO, Since when the energies need to ******* allow the same techniques in order to be equalized? What kind of stupidity is that?
It's not irrelevant in the slightest lmao, you're just an ignorant ass user who's attempting to use their own headcanon over wiki standards, and I never said you can't run out of Haki either. I said running out of Haki doesn't kill you, using too much Ki will kill the user showing how different they are smart one.Irrelevant. It doesn't have to have the same consequences on the user. It just has to be a form of energy. And you can run out of Haki.
"WELL, HAKI DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO FLY, SO NO EQUALIZATION"
I didn't distort shit, you donkey. The only one here doing that shit is you by saying Haki is ******* spiritual.I am not suggesting total equalization, Gin literally distorted that so it can fit his narrative. I am just countering the man saying Ki Detection would be useless against Haki Users, which is not the case.
Don't think so... They are too different and have barley any similaritys besides being some type of energy.Probably.