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Me wondering if this is even ic...
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Equal Stats Tournament 2022: Rex Salazar vs Garou (Semi-Final 1)
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The_Legendary_Vin
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Also for Garou: Intelligence: Genius Fighter. Garou has great knowledge in hand-to-hand combat and can analyze and memorize an opponent's fighting style and movements in only a few moments. He was also able to accurately predict the plans of both the Monster and Hero Associations by himself. Through observation, he learns of countermeasures for other people's fighting styles. Sometimes switches between fighting styles to keep his movement unpredictable or for his amusement. His mastery of martial arts enables him to attack his opponents as if "(They) were being cornered by dozens of martial artists at once" as described by Superalloy Darkshine, despite the two being roughly on the same level at the time of their fight and Darkshine being a reputable hand to hand combatant.
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Is this allowed?:
- Statistics Amplification (Went from being incapable of fighting back against Death Gatling's team to effortlessly reducing their numbers to half upon using Abandonment, honing in on his eyesight and ability to predict his opponent's movements)
- Rage Power (Experienced a surge in strength despite being beaten to near-death through sheer rage)
- Reactive Power Level (His power increases rapidly when fighting strong opponents. Stated to have grown much stronger in a short period of time)
The_Legendary_Vin
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or this?:
- Adaptability: While his "limiter" was breaking, Garou seems to have developed a form of adaptability. This allows him to become stronger and faster over time as well as make him seemingly immune to any attack that fails to kill him, such as developing stronger resistance to psychic attacks on top of his already immense will. This also allows him to transform into various forms making him a real Monster. He likens this to the Fighting Spirit (気合い, Kiai) ability Metal Bat has.
The_Legendary_Vin
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If not, I can very much see garou getting increasingly more fast and powerful, until the point, where he can outright Blitz Rex, especially when he gets to the point where Rex's Nanites can no longer keep up, and then oneshotting with the Shockwaves and vibrations of his martial arts and heightened stats
TheForgottenKing
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Wouldn’t Garou be able to sense Rex even if he was invisible given garou can sense the presence of others he can’t even visibly see based off their killing intent
The_Legendary_Vin
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I also looked over Rex, and I don't see a way he'd be able to overcome Garou's power creep if it's allowed
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"Adapt to Garou's speed"
Garou grows in the middle of fights. He gets stronger and faster as he fights, even to the point as described as "accelerating forever."
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That is part of his arsenal.
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The fact that Garou can still sense him.
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What point would that be?
His Nanites can either adapt the usual way or they could just create a new Build/Machine completely made to counter the core aspect of the opponent's ability.
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I wouldn't use quotes like that literally.....Because you do know what "Accelerating forever" could actually imply, correct? But yes, Garou can mid-evolve in fights just like Rex can.
The same way he did it against Quarry's Molecular Destablizer and the Consortium's Meta Nanite fragments.
Killing intent? Is this IC or bloodlusted? Rex is more reactively violent than instigative.
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The Garou will keep growing. It's not only his speed that grows. His power does as well, so it will get to a point where Garou can one shot Rex, as he's done with Bang, Flashy Flash, Platinum Sperm, Darkshine, and Death Gattling Squad.
The_Legendary_Vin
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Which Garou would simply reduce to dust, and Rex would have to sacrifice his invisbility or sword to run a specific counter, which would be very bad for him
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Here
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Again, how does this out-pace Rex's Nanites which can troll/mess with opponents with straight up time and anti-matter hax?
Reduce what to dust? If most of Ben Tennyson's arsenal was described as vulnerable to this ability then how would Garou do it? The durability-negging molecular destablizer couldn't even do it.
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The styles are irrelevant. Rex's Nanites attack the /CORE/ aspect of the opponent's ability. In this case being Garou's martial arts prowess. He would have to find a way to overcome that very concept itself.
The_Legendary_Vin
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Garou has less adapability, But ultimately, With his fighting styles, and no way for rex to know just how deadly Garou is until it's too late, since Rex can only use two things at once, and Garou's power creep will eventually overpower Rex, Rex can't make a build that'll infinitely keep pace and perfectly counter Garou, he isn't without limits
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You can't just counter the concept of martial arts. There are different styles that have different purposes and abilities. Especially in this verse, where there are styles that have supernatural abilities. Rex will have to counter each one individually, and switch to whichever style he is countering, while Garou can just switch to another style at any moment he needs to.
This is not even bringing up the fact that Garou can just turn Rex' machinery into dust after evolving enough.
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Rex's Nanites respond to danger and evolve right away if Rex's pre-existing abilities are deemed as unable to handle them so that's not going to happen. They don't just sit and wait for him to allow Garou to improve and improve. They improve Rex as well and on top of that they do their hax shenanigans and make a Build made to attack that core aspect.
What do you mean by two things at once? And how does that correlate to the power creep overcoming Rex's powers?
The only KNOWN Weaknesses to the Nanites adaptability would be.
1: Insane stats gap from the start...Which...Isn't a factor to an equal stats tournament.
2: Some incalculable, laws of physics, super-meta BS. Like a gag character with toon force or some ability that bends the laws of realty or yada yada. Stuff like that
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Basically, this whole argument I see Jag50 making is a huge NLF...
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"You can't just counter the concept of martial arts"
Uhhhhh lets see.
An ability to passively absorb kinetic force and momentum and return it, Total Friction manipulation, Energy stagnation - Do I go on?....
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Send scans.
Also, a question: How do Rex' Nanites adapt? Does it need to analyze? Do they need to be hit?
The_Legendary_Vin
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Read Rex's weaknesses
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Yes.
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How is it an NLF when I mentioned two massive and obvious weaknesses that not only apply here but also general Vsbattles matches even without stats equalized?
This "Invincible Garou evolution forever" argument aligns more in that territory since you two are unable to provide the same argument balance in your counterpoints.
TheForgottenKing
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He can sense killing intent
like if anyone in the area(even ones he can’t visibly see) has any internet to kill Him he will be alerted to it
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The_Legendary_Vin
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starting at equal stats, yes, actually, Garou's power creep outpaces
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I read OPM and this didn't answer my question at all. Explain invincible Garou evolution to me in detail.
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I'm asking again, can you send scans of how Rex adapts, and how fast he can do it?
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You're saying Garou's adaptive evolution is going to skyrocket over the multipliers provided by Super saiyans 1 through Blue? And Ultra Instinct? Seriously?
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read up on Garou's profile <_<
and prove to me that Rex can deal with 11 unique styles at once with just two builds, deal with a Rage amp, and steady power increase and adaption
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Keep in mind your talking to someone who specializes in dragonball scaling for one, and No, not over a literal infinite UI, however, that is a transformation, which would be equalized
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And that's an understatement. Garou can go from contending with someone, to blitzing and one shotting in a matter of moments.
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Goku for one, technically doesn't even get Zenkais anymore, so Yeah, Garou has better adaption and rising strength per moment
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