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Introduction
This is the continuation of these, Three, threads regarding cosmology of Dragon ball as a whole. The last thread got derailed upto 10 pages with multi posts and unnecessary arguings.
Timeline in Dragon ball is currently rated as 2-C for having 12 universes considered to be separate space-time.
However, the problem comes that causing a temporal-divergence/paradox in one universe causes branching of entire timeline implying it to be a quilted multiverse where every universe share a common space-time and hence physically connected.
Until Now ,to counter this we had this note :
Arguments
1.The Problem is that Room of Spirit and Time a.k.a ROSAT was only assumed to be a part of the Universe 7 Macrocosm because multiverse wasn't established at that point in the series.
However ,in the recent Dragon Ball Super Manga Chapter 87 ,we have this dialogue from Frieza which implies other dimensions like ROSAT are outside the universe, and it was later confirmed that the statement covers entirety of the Universe 7 Macrocosm supported by Dragon ball media. So ,its not just the Living universe but the entire Macrocosm as a whole.
2.Daizenshuu 4 states
3. Zeno Guards and Angels can travel physically between universes as shown here and stated here. Our current standard has one condition that physical travel should be impossible for them to be considered separate space-time
4.The Super Dragon Balls gets distributed across Universe 7 and Universe 6 via physical 3-D movement
7.Credits - @Nullflowerblush
Counter-Arguments
TL;DR
Location of RoSaT (a planet sized separate space-time) is what keeping the universes Low 2-C and timeline 2-C. Many characters like Whis ,Hit etc. can travel to different universes via physical 3-D movement which should be impossible if they spatio-temporally separate.Without it ,Universes will be downgraded to 3-A making the timeline Low 2-C.
Note:
1.Please be Civil and don't do unnecessary spam posts.
2. Don't bring up stuff like Afterlife Being a separate space-time or anything similar. This has been discussed before and a discussion rule exists for this reason. Every other realmn in Universe 7 shares the same space-time as the living universe.
3. Some standards which can affect this thread is being discussed in Tier 2 revisions
Vote Tally from previous threads :
Agree - ,@Planck69 ,@Maverick_Zero_X, @Theglassman12,
Disagree - @DarkDragonMedeus, @Antvasima
Note: Strictly staff only thread with few knowledgeable allowed members, Do not multi post or spam, in case you forgot to include something just edit your previous comment. Only comment when a staff member ask a question and is necessary. Be civil unlike previous threads Thank you very much
This is the continuation of these, Three, threads regarding cosmology of Dragon ball as a whole. The last thread got derailed upto 10 pages with multi posts and unnecessary arguings.
Timeline in Dragon ball is currently rated as 2-C for having 12 universes considered to be separate space-time.
However, the problem comes that causing a temporal-divergence/paradox in one universe causes branching of entire timeline implying it to be a quilted multiverse where every universe share a common space-time and hence physically connected.
Until Now ,to counter this we had this note :
Note: We consider the universes in Dragon Ball alternate time-spaces relative to each other, hence why Zen'ō is rated as 2-C, despite the events in the Goku Black Saga showing parallel timelines encompassing the whole of the multiverse.
The reason for this is that Universe 7 by itself has already been shown to contain parallel space-time continuums within its globe, such as the Room of Spirit and Time, which is still affected by time travel; which proves that the new timelines can encompass other space-times as well, and thus the events in the Future Trunks Saga don't prove anything in the way of the universes being physically connected.
The reason for this is that Universe 7 by itself has already been shown to contain parallel space-time continuums within its globe, such as the Room of Spirit and Time, which is still affected by time travel; which proves that the new timelines can encompass other space-times as well, and thus the events in the Future Trunks Saga don't prove anything in the way of the universes being physically connected.
Arguments
1.The Problem is that Room of Spirit and Time a.k.a ROSAT was only assumed to be a part of the Universe 7 Macrocosm because multiverse wasn't established at that point in the series.
However ,in the recent Dragon Ball Super Manga Chapter 87 ,we have this dialogue from Frieza which implies other dimensions like ROSAT are outside the universe, and it was later confirmed that the statement covers entirety of the Universe 7 Macrocosm supported by Dragon ball media. So ,its not just the Living universe but the entire Macrocosm as a whole.
2.Daizenshuu 4 states
3. Zeno Guards and Angels can travel physically between universes as shown here and stated here. Our current standard has one condition that physical travel should be impossible for them to be considered separate space-time
4.The Super Dragon Balls gets distributed across Universe 7 and Universe 6 via physical 3-D movement
7.Credits - @Nullflowerblush
Counter-Arguments
I guess it depends on how we treat visuals over statements for location of two space-time.
Well Dragon ball follows a composite cosmology for a long time. The cosmology is considered same here by the staff Also the evidence of ROSAT for anime is weak in itself. This is used as a supplementary evidence for an information which is unclear and matters greatly.
This is true as our standards consider universe as a synonym for timeline and spacetime continuum but when comes to dragonball, timeline and the term universe vary in definition, at that we cannot have more than one spacetime continuum in the same timeline w/o higher dimensional axis or the gap btw them must be inaccessible through 3 Dimensional flight, even if whis has dimensional flight yet he shouldn't be able to cross universes w/o higher dimensional flight, same with super dragon balls and champa's cube.
TL;DR
Location of RoSaT (a planet sized separate space-time) is what keeping the universes Low 2-C and timeline 2-C. Many characters like Whis ,Hit etc. can travel to different universes via physical 3-D movement which should be impossible if they spatio-temporally separate.Without it ,Universes will be downgraded to 3-A making the timeline Low 2-C.
Note:
1.Please be Civil and don't do unnecessary spam posts.
2. Don't bring up stuff like Afterlife Being a separate space-time or anything similar. This has been discussed before and a discussion rule exists for this reason. Every other realmn in Universe 7 shares the same space-time as the living universe.
3. Some standards which can affect this thread is being discussed in Tier 2 revisions
Vote Tally from previous threads :
Agree - ,@Planck69 ,@Maverick_Zero_X, @Theglassman12,
Disagree - @DarkDragonMedeus, @Antvasima
Note: Strictly staff only thread with few knowledgeable allowed members, Do not multi post or spam, in case you forgot to include something just edit your previous comment. Only comment when a staff member ask a question and is necessary. Be civil unlike previous threads Thank you very much
