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Introduction
This is the continuation of these two threads regarding cosmology of Dragon ball as a whole.
Timeline in Dragon ball is currently rated as 2-C for having 12 universes considered to be separate space-time.
However, the problem comes that causing a temporal-divergence/paradox in one universe causes branching of entire timeline implying it to be a quilted multiverse where every universe share a common space-time and hence physically connected.
Until Now ,to counter this we had this note :
Arguments
1.The Problem is that Room of Spirit and Time a.k.a ROSAT was only assumed to be a part of the Universe 7 Macrocosm because multiverse wasn't established at that point in the series.
However ,in the recent Dragon Ball Super Manga Chapter 87 ,we have this dialogue from Frieza which implies other dimensions like ROSAT are outside the universe, and it was later confirmed that the statement covers entirety of the Universe 7 Macrocosm supported by Dragon ball media. So ,its not just the Living universe but the entire Macrocosm as a whole.
2.Daizenshuu 4 states
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4.The Super Dragon Balls gets distributed across Universe 7 and Universe 6 via physical 3-D movement which should be impossible if the universes are spatio-temporally separated.Even Hit who is a mortal ,after completing his task in Universe 7 flew away back to Universe 6.
7.Credits - @Nullflowerblush
Edit :
Whis and other angels have dimensional travel on his profile so the point regarding them flying to different universes is moot.
TL;DR
Location of RoSaT (a planet sized separate space-time) is what keeping the universes Low 2-C and timeline 2-C. Many characters like Whis ,Hit etc. can travel to different universes via physical 3-D movement which should be impossible if they spatio-temporally separate.Without it ,Universes will be downgraded to 3-A making the timeline Low 2-C.
Note:
1.Please be Civil and don't do unnecessary spam posts.
2. Don't bring up stuff like Afterlife Being a separate space-time or anything similar. This has been discussed before and a discussion rule exists for this reason. Every other realmn in Universe 7 shares the same space-time as the living universe.
3. Some standards which can affect this thread is being discussed in Tier 2 revisions
Current Vote Tally :
Agree - ,@Planck69 ,@Maverick_Zero_X, @Theglassman12, @LordGriffin1000 (Agrees with the premise)
Disagree - @DarkDragonMedeus, @Antvasima
Neutral - Possibly @Executor_N0 ( agrees the universes sharing the same temporal axis but still thinks they can be Low 2-C), @PrinceofPein (thinks universes are not spatio-temporally separate but is not knowledgeable to DB)
This is the continuation of these two threads regarding cosmology of Dragon ball as a whole.
Timeline in Dragon ball is currently rated as 2-C for having 12 universes considered to be separate space-time.
However, the problem comes that causing a temporal-divergence/paradox in one universe causes branching of entire timeline implying it to be a quilted multiverse where every universe share a common space-time and hence physically connected.
Until Now ,to counter this we had this note :
Note: We consider the universes in Dragon Ball alternate time-spaces relative to each other, hence why Zen'ō is rated as 2-C, despite the events in the Goku Black Saga showing parallel timelines encompassing the whole of the multiverse.
The reason for this is that Universe 7 by itself has already been shown to contain parallel space-time continuums within its globe, such as the Room of Spirit and Time, which is still affected by time travel; which proves that the new timelines can encompass other space-times as well, and thus the events in the Future Trunks Saga don't prove anything in the way of the universes being physically connected.
The reason for this is that Universe 7 by itself has already been shown to contain parallel space-time continuums within its globe, such as the Room of Spirit and Time, which is still affected by time travel; which proves that the new timelines can encompass other space-times as well, and thus the events in the Future Trunks Saga don't prove anything in the way of the universes being physically connected.
Arguments
1.The Problem is that Room of Spirit and Time a.k.a ROSAT was only assumed to be a part of the Universe 7 Macrocosm because multiverse wasn't established at that point in the series.
However ,in the recent Dragon Ball Super Manga Chapter 87 ,we have this dialogue from Frieza which implies other dimensions like ROSAT are outside the universe, and it was later confirmed that the statement covers entirety of the Universe 7 Macrocosm supported by Dragon ball media. So ,its not just the Living universe but the entire Macrocosm as a whole.
2.Daizenshuu 4 states
3. Zeno Guards and Angels can travel physically between universes as shown here and stated here. Our current standard has one condition that physical travel should be impossible for them to be considered separate space-timeThe temple's lower portion is filled with complicated, maze-like passageways, and the entrance to the Room of Spirit and Time is at the deepest part of the temple. The room here exists in a separate dimension
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4.The Super Dragon Balls gets distributed across Universe 7 and Universe 6 via physical 3-D movement which should be impossible if the universes are spatio-temporally separated.Even Hit who is a mortal ,after completing his task in Universe 7 flew away back to Universe 6.
7.Credits - @Nullflowerblush
Counter-ArgumentsMerus refers to the Room of Spirit and Time's progression of time alternative to the outside world's as the result of time dilation, which may imply that the Living Universe and the Room of Spirit and Time exist within the same space-time continuum, but experience the same time differently.
I guess it depends on how we treat visuals over statements for location of two space-time.1. When Buu Vice Shouted himself out of RoSaT, he landed in Kami's Lookout. When Vegeta smashed the RoSaT forcing the need to restore/rebuild it, Vegeta also landed on Kami's Lookout.
Well Dragon ball follows a composite cosmology for a long time. The cosmology is considered same here by the staff Also the evidence of ROSAT for anime is weak in itself. This is used as a supplementary evidence for an information which is unclear and matters greatly.2.This is a manga statement. Just a downgrade for manga
This is true unless proven otherwise. DB has a lot of anti-feats added above.Universes are default Low 2-C. So timeline qualifies 2-C automatically
Edit :
Whis and other angels have dimensional travel on his profile so the point regarding them flying to different universes is moot.
TL;DR
Location of RoSaT (a planet sized separate space-time) is what keeping the universes Low 2-C and timeline 2-C. Many characters like Whis ,Hit etc. can travel to different universes via physical 3-D movement which should be impossible if they spatio-temporally separate.Without it ,Universes will be downgraded to 3-A making the timeline Low 2-C.
Note:
1.Please be Civil and don't do unnecessary spam posts.
2. Don't bring up stuff like Afterlife Being a separate space-time or anything similar. This has been discussed before and a discussion rule exists for this reason. Every other realmn in Universe 7 shares the same space-time as the living universe.
3. Some standards which can affect this thread is being discussed in Tier 2 revisions
Current Vote Tally :
Agree - ,@Planck69 ,@Maverick_Zero_X, @Theglassman12, @LordGriffin1000 (Agrees with the premise)
Disagree - @DarkDragonMedeus, @Antvasima
Neutral - Possibly @Executor_N0 ( agrees the universes sharing the same temporal axis but still thinks they can be Low 2-C), @PrinceofPein (thinks universes are not spatio-temporally separate but is not knowledgeable to DB)
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