Dragon Ball Cosmology Revision

[Reiner04]

It says it’s only accessible via teleportation Whis’s staff has been shown to be a different method of transport that’s not like normal flight and I explained why in my earlier comment stop making me repeat the same argument

SDBs? Cubes?whis? All are abnormal flyers and travels through dimensions, it doesn't matter tbh. Here we are dealing with tier 2 stuff. Crossing the dimensions or universes, even if via dimensional travel/flight but if 3D movement, then that's that. Different universes/dimensions by default needs dimensional travel, it doesn't mean they cannot be crossed via 3D movement and must be tier 2C. That's all. I have said this before countless times, warp or whatever you are describing for whis, dimensional travel or whatever you are describing for SDBs or cubes, it doesn't matter, as long as long as they're within same timeline, a higher dimension/multiversal axis (inaccessible axis that cannot be accessed via 3D movements) is needed.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Executor N0 is someone who appears to be on par with DT and Ultima Reality when it comes to being a tiering system expert. But based on his input, it seems legit that the 12 universes are legit universes and destroying 2 or more of them is 2-C.

 

[Vasco]

Executor N0 is someone who appears to be on par with DT and Ultima Reality when it comes to being a tiering system expert. But based on his input, it seems legit that the 12 universes are legit universes and destroying 2 or more of them is 2-C.

What if all share the same time?

 

[Reiner04]

What if all share the same time?

They can still be tier 2C, as long as they're separated on a multiversal/5D axis. But it has few problems coming with it as well. Such as "all bodies of space/more than one bodies of space/realms" within one timeline/universe means universe/timeline will be 2C. That's the main problem in such a argument. So it needs a bit in go through in tier 2 revision.

 

[Antvasima]

i think that what most people are not getting is that it can be dimensional travel, but if it is done via flight, then the universes can't be space times as it is impossible to fly from one universe to another

As far as I am aware, it is possible if a character is flying along an extra axis of movement, a fifth dimension in this case.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, can the main Dragon Ball cosmology continue to be 2-C then?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Anyway, can the main Dragon Ball cosmology continue to be 2-C then?

well, it seems so.

 

[Reiner04]

Anyway, can the main Dragon Ball cosmology continue to be 2-C then?

From what @Executor_N0 brought up, yes. But the discussion has gone to tier 2 revision thread now ig as it needs to be looked up by @DontTalkDT or @Ultima_Reality .

 

[Antvasima]

Should we improve on the reasoning, references, and linked to evidence in our wiki to justify that tier then?

 

[Antvasima]

From what @Executor_N0 brought up, yes. But the discussion has gone to tier 2 revision thread now ig as it needs to be looked up by @DontTalkDT or @Ultima_Reality .

Okay.

 

[Omegabronic]

As far as I am aware, it is possible if a character is flying along an extra axis of movement, a fifth dimension in this case.

not according to the new standards recently approved, plus it was shown that what separates the universes in db is just regular 3D space, with it even having it's own cosmos and planets and stuff, which is far from the higher dimension that should separate space times, that and time travel in one universe affecting all 12 at once makes it so that the 12 universes are just 3-A structures and not separated space-times

Should we improve on the reasoning, references, and linked to evidence in our wiki to justify that tier then?

not really, akm commented earlier and he still has not responded, we should probably wait for him, also maybe contact some staff who are knowledgeable on tier 2 space time stuff? that would help

 

[Omegabronic]

It says it’s only accessible via teleportation Whis’s staff has been shown to be a different method of transport that’s not like normal flight and I explained why in my earlier comment stop making me repeat the same argument

it is shown to be flight, "normal flight" is not the point, being flight at all is the problem

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the other thread is still going on. Let's wait for Executor and DontTalk to reach an agreement there.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

not according to the new standards recently approved, plus it was shown that what separates the universes in db is just regular 3D space, with it even having it's own cosmos and planets and stuff, which is far from the higher dimension that should separate space times, that and time travel in one universe affecting all 12 at once makes it so that the 12 universes are just 3-A structures and not separated space-times


not really, akm commented earlier and he still has not responded, we should probably wait for him, also maybe contact some staff who are knowledgeable on tier 2 space time stuff? that would help

It's over here

https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-cosmology-revision.148648/post-5457605

now the issue is taking place there, it has already been proven that the verse is 2-C and has separate spacetimes.

Now all that's left is to wait for the debate they're at to end there

 

[Reiner04]

Let executioner no. Point be discussed first in the tier 2 thread, until then, this thread can stay on hold. Flooding the thread won't be any good if the result can be achieved through executioner point.

 

[Omegabronic]

It's over here

https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-cosmology-revision.148648/post-5457605

now the issue is taking place there, it has already been proven that the verse is 2-C and has separate spacetimes.

Now all that's left is to wait for the debate they're at to end there

dude, that is not how it works, one staff opinion on the matter doesn't mean its over, have you forgotten the whole "staff consensus" bit we talked about?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

dude, that is not how it works, one staff opinion on the matter doesn't mean its over, have you forgotten the whole "staff consensus" bit we talked about?

there was no consensus, so a guy who knows level 2-C arrived and proved it, just like that, now you have to wait for the guys there to finish arguing.

 

[Omegabronic]

there was no consensus

that's the point, we have to reach a consensus

, so a guy who knows level 2-C arrived and proved it, just like that

and then we pressented counter points, plus him not addressing some of the other points, staff are very busy, we already made summaries and are still waiting for more staff, so we wait

, now you have to wait for the guys there to finish arguing.

some of the points don't depend much on that thread

 

[Stefano4444]

lus it was shown that what separates the universes in db is just regular 3D space, with it even having it's own cosmos and planets and stuff

The galaxies show seen to be the ones that exist in the supposed neutral dimension (as refer in the DBS manga), we don't actually see much outside the universes, aside for between 0:30 to 0:32 where it does looks like there are galaxies/stars outside the universes but i'm not trully sure if that can be the case.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

SDBs? Cubes?whis? All are abnormal flyers and travels through dimensions, it doesn't matter tbh. Here we are dealing with tier 2 stuff. Crossing the dimensions or universes, even if via dimensional travel/flight but if 3D movement, then that's that. Different universes/dimensions by default needs dimensional travel, it doesn't mean they cannot be crossed via 3D movement and must be tier 2C. That's all. I have said this before countless times, warp or whatever you are describing for whis, dimensional travel or whatever you are describing for SDBs or cubes, it doesn't matter, as long as long as they're within same timeline, a higher dimension/multiversal axis (inaccessible axis that cannot be accessed via 3D movements) is needed.

I don’t get how if it’s dimensional travel you’re still considering it 3D movement but wtv

it is shown to be flight, "normal flight" is not the point, being flight at all is the problem

It’s just a form of transportation that uses a white shaft and can hold multiple people in it apparently Whis has also used this Warp ability to go to another timeline that wasn’t destroyed

 

[Nullflowerblush]

apparently Whis has also used this Warp ability to go to another timeline that wasn’t destroyed

This was never implied. Whis stated that he could travel to the future with Trunks and Mai. For all we know, Whis could've been offering to hitch a ride with the two on the Time Machine.

Whis also has the ability to rewind time by three minutes. Is that related to Warp?

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

This was never implied. Whis stated that he could travel to the future with Trunks and Mai. For all we know, Whis could've been offering to hitch a ride with the two on the Time Machine.

Whis also has the ability to rewind time by three minutes. Is that related to Warp?

No the scene doesn’t imply that he was taking the time machine at all he has the ability to do so just not elaborated on how he has it accepted on the wiki it’s an ability to do so but even db wiki says Warp allowed Whis to do that

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The Dragon Ball Wiki is not the end-all be-all of information. The Dragon Ball Wiki does not even cite episodes.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

The Dragon Ball Wiki is not the end-all be-all of information. The Dragon Ball Wiki does not even cite episodes.

You’re right but you’re claiming Whis uses a time machine when thats never stated or implied to be the case

 

[Omegabronic]

It’s just a form of transportation that uses a white shaft and can hold multiple people in it apparently Whis has also used this Warp ability to go to another timeline that wasn’t destroyed

whis describes it as flight

The galaxies show seen to be the ones that exist in the supposed neutral dimension (as refer in the DBS manga), we don't actually see much outside the universes, aside for between 0:30 to 0:32 where it does looks like there are galaxies/stars outside the universes but i'm not trully sure if that can be the case.

the neutral dimension is what separates the universes, it is what is in between them, if they were space time they should have a higher dimension in between, not more galaxies and normal space

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

whis describes it as flight

Ok?? It’s not normal transportation

 

[Nullflowerblush]

You’re right but you’re claiming Whis uses a time machine when thats never stated or implied to be the case

For all we know, Whis could've been offering to hitch a ride with the two on the Time Machine.

Whis also has the ability to rewind time by three minutes. Is that related to Warp?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Let executioner no. Point be discussed first in the tier 2 thread, until then, this thread can stay on hold. Flooding the thread won't be any good if the result can be achieved through executioner point.

please, stop commenting here with unnecessary comments, it has already been proven that the verse is 2-C and the Universes low 2-C, now it only remains for the tier 2 CRT to end.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I can’t reply to your message but when Whis reverted time in the RoF saga Whis used a special ability that allowed him to revert time without making a new timeline it’s different here because he’s actually traveling to another timeline

 

[Omegabronic]

You’re right but you’re claiming Whis uses a time machine when thats never stated or implied to be the case

he never implies that it was his own abilities either, he just says that he will go to the future himself, considering that he is talking to trunks, it is very much okay to assume that he is talking about using a time machine

 

[Omegabronic]

please, stop commenting here with unnecessary comments, it has already been proven that the verse is 2-C and the Universes low 2-C

no it has not, bunches of evidences where shown of otherwise, such as the space between universes not being higher dimensional, all universes being equally affect by time travel, etc, you don't get to decide wheter or not this is done or not, you are the one commenting unnecessary comments trying to rush the thread, stop, this is not helping at all

, now it only remains for the tier 2 CRT to end.

not only, some of the points don't depend on that thread

I can’t reply to your message but when Whis reverted time in the RoF saga Whis used a special ability that allowed him to revert time without making a new timeline it’s different here because he’s actually traveling to another timeline

he never implies that it was his own abilities either, he just says that he will go to the future himself, considering that he is talking to trunks, it is very much okay to assume that he is talking about using a time machine

 

[OneRhasstyBoi]

he never implies that it was his own abilities either, he just says that he will go to the future himself, considering that he is talking to trunks, it is very much okay to assume that he is talking about using a time machine

Wasn’t the Time Machine completely destroyed by Black in the Future Timeline? And Whis specifically told Bulma to not make a new Time Machine because it was messing with timeline?

 

[Omegabronic]

Wasn’t the Time Machine completely destroyed by Black in the Future Timeline? And Whis specifically told Bulma to not make a new Time Machine because it was messing with timeline?

during the scene in question, they had another time machine already

 

[OneRhasstyBoi]

he never implies that it was his own abilities either, he just says that he will go to the future himself, considering that he is talking to trunks, it is very much okay to assume that he is talking about using a time machine

To check whether this is true or not, I rewatched EP 67.
In the scene where Future Trunks and Mai leave for the future Timeline, Whis was not there.
In fact, right after he implies that he shall go to the future to take care of the stuff there, he uses Warp.

 

[Omegabronic]

To check whether this is true or not, I rewatched EP 67.
In the scene where Future Trunks and Mai leave for the future Timeline, Whis was not there.
In fact, right after he implies that he shall go to the future to take care of the stuff there, he uses Warp.

show a clip, i idk what i am supossed to be seeing there

 

[OneRhasstyBoi]

show a clip, i idk what i am supossed to be seeing there

It’s in Ep 67, check it for yourself.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

no it has not, bunches of evidences where shown of otherwise, such as the space between universes not being higher dimensional, all universes being equally affect by time travel, etc, you don't get to decide wheter or not this is done or not, you are the one commenting unnecessary comments trying to rush the thread, stop, this is not helping at all


not only, some of the points don't depend on that thread

Why all this crying, my little friend?

 

[Omegabronic]

Why all this crying, my little friend?

are you serious? how is mocking me helping with the thread? i say this again:

you are the one commenting unnecessary comments trying to rush the thread, stop, this is not helping at all

It’s in Ep 67, check it for yourself.

i was talking more about the other one, the second scan that had whis in it

 

[OneRhasstyBoi]

was talking more about the other one, the second scan that had whis in it

In the first video, Whis said that he will go to a different timeline to ask Future Beerus to destroy Zamasu in that timeline.

In the second video, which is a continuation of the first video, after he implies that he will go to the future, he uses Warp.

 

[Omegabronic]

In the first video, Whis said that he will go to a different timeline to ask Future Beerus to destroy Zamasu in that timeline.

In the second video, which is a continuation of the first video, after he implies that he will go to the future, he uses Warp.

he is not using the warp to go to another timeline, he is using it to go back along side beerus, nothing indicates that he is using the warp to go to the other timeline in the clip