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It seems my question remained unanswered, so I'll ask it again. Has the infinite darkness ever been shown in the manga or anime?
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No.It seems my question remained unanswered, so I'll ask it again. Has the infinite darkness ever been shown in the manga or anime?
Has it been mentioned?
No.Has it been mentioned?
Completely unnecessary derailment my dude.So, um. In the meanwhile, shamelessly asking here...
is anyone up for a symphogear revision?
You are right. Better remove it.Completely unnecessary derailment my dude.
I'll try... Can someone get their hands on a Chouzenshu? It's literally a Daizenshuu, but personally revised by Akira himself if I am not mistaken. It has new information, and revised old information, so it should be far more valid than Daizenshuu itself, right?
I have the Download Link but for the official version in Spanish.... Can someone get their hands on a Chouzenshu? It's literally a Daizenshuu, but personally revised by Akira himself if I am not mistaken. It has new information, and revised old information, so it should be far more valid than Daizenshuu itself, right?
It's the author himself taking the Daizenshuu and saying "Yep, this goes... Nah, that's bullshit", and compiling the correct information in a guide.Iirc, Chouzenshu is just a condense version of Daizenzhuu, the cosmology, universe part is the same, it only update information about the new lore like Hakaishin, Zeno, etc....
Oh please, send it to me through Discord or something.I have the Download Link but for the official version in Spanish.
That is correct.Iirc, Chouzenshu is just a condense version of Daizenzhuu, the cosmology, universe part is the same, it only update information about the new lore like Hakaishin, Zeno, etc....
1. Sources he said thatIt's the author himself taking the Daizenshuu and saying "Yep, this goes... Nah, that's bullshit", and compiling the correct information in a guide.
The information of a Chouzenshuu cannot be contested by stating contradiction on the Daizenshuu.
If I have Discord, I'll pass it to your message wall.Oh please, send it to me through Discord or something.
Do you have a Discord, or Twitter?
Th-that's what I was implyingYou should see the actual dragonball wiki's debates
Yes, it is the translated text from Daizenshuu. No herms did not debunk this. He confirmed it.This isn’t a page from the daizenshuu but a translated text. Look at the last sentence of your scan. It says that the solar system is a galactic nebula. I think Herms himself debunked this on twitter.
Selective reading and selective blindness. He lays two options and then goes on to say that Daizenshuu uses the interpretation where there are only 4 galaxies. He goes on to list that is is mentioned a total of 2 times in Daizenshuu 7 and 2 other times in other guides.In the first paragraph of that same image he says "galaxy/galaxies" and even lays down two options. One of these options being that one of the 4 "galaxies" contain galaxies within themselves.
Lack of reading comprehension....he says, at the beginning of the sentence, that it's somewhat up to interpretation.
He's clearly not claiming anything is objective.
- He uses galaxy/galaxies interchangeably.
- He says there are two possibilities.
- He say's it's somewhat up to interpretation.
- He says it can probably, not objectively, be ignored.
Whenever japanese use plurals, they are usually either preceded with a number and a counter, or simply made understood through context.galaxy and galaxies are the same so it's ultimately up to interpretation. Yet, you insist it only means a total of 4 galaxies.
I am talking about your scans only. The "endless" one is in Daizenshuu 7 which I also posted above. It is in the same para that says there are only 4 galaxies.I can't tell what translations your using here in particular. At least my cans are contextualized.
"Space is infinite beyond the stars" comes from the Daizenshuu which we don't follow. And Earth is said to be at the edge of the universe. Not a galactic region.Space is infinite beyond the stars and earth is shown at the edge of a galactic region. Still consistent.
Neutral space means the space that coincides with both U6 and U7. Neutral space doesn't mean a different chunk of space.The nameless planet is in it's own neutral space.
This would have meant a lot if there was an actual blatant statement that the universe is infinite which did not come from a questionable and contradictory source. Until then, it only means the default. Which is, the universes are shown to be finite. They are said to be finite by having a center and an edge.This means nothing. Our own wiki represents space time contunuums as uncountable infinity composed into a single universe, which is usually represented as a sphere. Take Xenoverse for example. We see the timelines have their own shape but they are beyond infinite due to having an infinitely long past present and future, even if it's down to the nanosecond or even plank time.
In simple terms, those are dimensional walls.
They don't. We have had this discussion about "infinite universe" in the past and it was rejected by most of the staff. Not once, many times. Only Elizhaa and Uchiha said that if the Daizenshuu can be used, then they are fine with it. And that we before my response that goes on to list the problems with cherrypicking. But we do not use it because of reasons I have already outlined. We cannot cherrypick what to use and what not to use from a self-contradictory source.More staff agree with my points.
This isn't helping your argument you know. Japanese is a heavily contextualize languageThis is such an example of selective reading and selective blindness. This is what happens when you have limited knowledge of japanese language and you think ginga can be translated as either galaxy or galaxies irrespective of the context and we can pick and choose. No it doesn't work like that.
This is the same argument before. Even he said following up after his translation that it could mean the other way aroundYes, it is the translated text from Daizenshuu. No herms did not debunk this. He confirmed it.
This is actually wrong, according the the actual diagram of the "universe" it sat at the edge of the dimensional wall that surround the "universe", also the "universe" in Dragon Ball term is not the actual Living Realm but the entire macrocosmAnd Earth is said to be at the edge of the universe
Again you can see in the map of the Living universe itself i posted above, where it divide into 4 sections/area/direction itself, not 4 galaxies, galaxies will not be displayed like that, or do you want galaxy level Dragon Ball???The universe is divided into 4 galaxies.
like i said aboveThey are said to be finite by having a center and an edge
This is another wrong, you can't say your interpretation are true while the other are wrong, while at the same time, you have no knowledge on Japanese language which is a heavily contextualize language. And Herm, by all mean is a casual translator, we can't put him on a pedestal like a God when it come to Japanese translationCan't do much when people just either selectively read or purposely misinterpret things and leave out other important parts
Read. I did say "irrespective of the context". And later also said that context makes it clear what a word means. And explained with examples how.This isn't helping your argument you know. Japanese is a heavily contextualize language
Pretty sure you are talking about the wrong part and again did not read carefully.This is the same argument before. Even he said following up after his translation that it could mean the other way around
Nobody is talking about the diagram. We are talking about what Bulma said.This is actually wrong, according the the actual diagram of the "universe" it sat at the edge of the dimensional wall that surround the "universe", also the "universe" in Dragon Ball term is not the actual Living Realm but the entire macrocosm
Nobody is talking about the map. We are talking about how the Daizenshuu and other guides claim there are 4 galaxies and hence are unreliable and contradictory and thus, are not used.Again you can see in the map of the Living universe itself i posted above, where it divide into 4 sections/area/direction itself, not 4 galaxies, galaxies will not be displayed like that, or do you want galaxy level Dragon Ball???
like i said abovelike i said above
Not even talking about my interpretation. What? What exactly are you reading?This is another wrong, you can't say your interpretation are true while the other are wrong
Please do and get some rest.I need to sleep
FIRST.The spanish version has no weight in face of the original japanese text which is already posted above, and has the same translation as the one in the daizenshuu
That's one of the most difficult tasks ever.Just get the Japanese version of the Chouzenshuu then. Although that might be difficult.
@Kulf_Boba is a G.
Chouzenshuu 1
"The first volume of Dragon Ball Chouzenshuu is a re-edition of the volume 2 and 4 of the guides published in 1995, Dragon Ball Daizenshuu (The great complete collection of Dragon Ball) which amplifies the Dragon Ball universe and features an interview and new content. A corrected, better version than it's predecessor!"
Chouzenshuu is literally corrected by Akira Toriyama, and it's the better version, verbatim.
"So many stories and so many battles have, expanding unlimitedly the horizons of the new world of Dragon Ball"
So yeah, the first "infinitely expanding" isn't referring to actual size.
"An universe that will keep expanding beyond human comprehension"
" [...] Space that expands without limits"
So 2 statements from Chouzenshuu calling the space infinite?More stuff
"Infinite expanse of light and dark where the unknown dwells."
"The Kais are in charge of ruling the vast universe"
No infinitely expanding.
"A space that extends without limits"
I believe those are all the Chouzenshuu versions of the statements.
I personally vote that we take time and deal with this now rather then have this issue repeatedly come up again. So yeah, i would wait for zamasu's translation request to be handled.Thank you for helping out, AKM. I think that you make sense above.
Can somebody write a list of the staff members who have evaluated this thread previously, so I can ask them to evaluate AKM's and Zamasu's posts, please?
Or should we wait for Zamasu's translation request to be handled first?
No need to, Chouzenshuu commits the same mistake of calling the sectors both areas and galaxies, it's self contradictory.Just to get things on the right track, following points should be noted.
1. The answer to this Q&A thread is that we do not use the Daizenshuu for this anymore because it is self-contradictory and we cannot cherry-pick.
2. The reasons for that have been pointed out.
That is all there is to it.
Zamasu thinks that the Daizenshuu is not a contradictory source, despite it blatantly saying there are 4 galaxies multiple times, which is also confirmed by Herms a minimum of three times, and cannot be interpreted in any other way given the context of those statements.
If the focus has shifted to Chozenshuu now, I have some things to say about that, which I will get into later.