denisnic55
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This is just an anti-feat against like 4 solid feats of low-2c based on Zamasu and even further to Jiren scaling. Even if you downgrade, there is more than enough evidence for low 2-c.
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Dragon Ball Cosmology Revision
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with the rosat being accepted as not being inside the universe anymore, is there really any proof that the rosat would be even affected?
zamasu scaling will stay the same for now, this would only affect God of destruction level)not being this weird hal 2-C it is right now) an the angels and zeno(would become low 2-C instead of 2-C)
well, there would need to be proof of the rosat being affected in the first place
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just to remind people that this is not an tier downgrade, but a cosmology downgrade that would affect the value said tier, half 2-C and 2-C is what god of destruction and angel level characters are right now because of the beerus and champa feat, and now that feat becomes 3-A, they all scale or upscale from baseline low 2-C
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it was already refuted above, SS can leave a dimension that is only accessible with teleportation.
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When it was ever happened in the entire thread? If you're talking about the paragraph you wrote about champa cube then sorry, it doesn't.
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just look at all my comments, just above, you will notice that Super Shenron dared through the world of emptiness as if it were nothing, restoring all Universes at once and spreading throughout universes.
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I think it has already been answered. Super shenron =/= SDBs. SDBs are just way to summon super shenron. Also him granting wish has nothing to do with SDBs scattering across the universes with what has been shown to be simple flight.
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bro, when are you going to stop refuting yourself? The evidence is in your hands, it's not a physical trip, stop it, my God, a physical flight is impossible, only possible with a cube, the super spheres can cross dimensions that are only accessible with teleportation.
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Also why are people using Super Dragon Balls to argue against cosmology? It just means they can fly similarly to the Angels in which their flight has dimensional travel, not a counter argument against the universes being different bodies of spaces as Executor pointed out.
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if it was dimensional travel, why does it take time and why does whis specifies his speed as being an factor?
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"Taking time" is not a counter argument against Dimensional Travel either, it's a counter argument against Infinite/Immeasurable speed yes but not against dimensional travel.
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exactly, I showed evidence of this, they could not disprove it, there is also a dimension separating the Universes, as well as the fact that the super spheres traverse the world of emptiness.
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i mean, it is implying that there is a distance to go by
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Yes, Dimensional Travel users still have distance to travel to just finite distance and possibly involving more than one spatial dimension.
Also this is my last post for now as I have another 8 our shift to be working first.
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the thing is, the method in which they are seem to travel is the same they use to go between universes is the same they are saw using to go to in universe locations
also understandable, have a nice shift
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yes, there is evidence of them traveling to other planes, like the world of the Kaioshins that is separated from the mortal Universe, and it is mentioned that Whis can go to the future, there is also evidence that the dragon balls can traverse dimensions, like the world of emptiness, SS came out of there like nothing, moreover they are able to verify dimensions (like room of time with their eyes, seen seen during the training of Merus and Whis, in addition to going to the possible dimension that is outside the twelve Universes, Zeno's palace) let me know if you need more.
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Gilad_Hyperstar
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Uhhh what are the arguments again? I didn't really follow the thread
Besides, summary will also help the staff to evaluate this better
Besides, summary will also help the staff to evaluate this better
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The only way the cosmology can get downgraded is if the RoSaT is outside of the timeline entirely which there’s no proof of I haven’t seen anyone talk about this because if the RoSaT is inside the timeline it means a space time can encompass a space time defaulting the universes back to Low 2-C can anyone address this?
Gilad_Hyperstar
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They both are direct continuation of the canon version of Dragon Ball Z which each version made from the notes Toriyama put as outlines for Super
It wouldn't make sense for the cosmologies to be different since both are continuation of manga Z, unlike with Toei Z
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This seems to make sense to me.
Well, they can warp reality almost any way they want on an at least cosmic scale, so it would be strange if they cannot use it.
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Well the cosmologies for toei Z have no differences from the manga and anime Z cosmoslogies just statements of the Realms being separated spatiotemporally if we use that logic
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Okay, but then why do the different versions of the same characters in the DBS manga and anime have different statistics?
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I don't know why this was brought up. They don't have reality warping or any such technique giving them dimensional travel Why are we now suddenly assuming basic flight is some sort of dimensional travel or warp without evidence.
As I noted in the OP. Kaioshin realmns and mortal universe have same space-time, this point goes moot. And other point you are mentioning is cosmic awareness.
Cosmologies are considered same up until now as I have mentioned in OP. Even some of upgrade threads have been rejected before.
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It is because manga have different feats and statements compare to anime, thus different ratings
Edit: shit, forgot to ask for permission
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Because the feats from the manga are different than those of the anime. It's also to remain consistent with the world that was established in Z, as both are direct continuations of Z
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actually the manga is an adaptation of the anime super and not an adaptation of Z
Gilad_Hyperstar
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Actually, that's not true. Both were made from Toriyama's notes for Dragon Ball Super and told Toei and Toyataro to each make it separately, which is why they're different yet still follows the same notes given to them
Of course it's not. It's a continuation, meaning a sequel to Z, not an adaptation of Z
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this was addressed in the last thread, there is no proof or evidence that it is inside the timeline, so we don't consider it to be
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Working off of Toriyama's notes means very little for their connection to each other, considering the notes are, evidently, vague, simple, and straightforward outlines of the primary plot points, especially when considering the fact that Toei and Toyotaro took their months in radically different directions.
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The anime is being adapted into a companion manga by Toriyama alongside artist Toyotarō, the author behind the official adaptation of the Resurrection "F" manga. It began serialization in the August 2015 issue of V Salto, which was released on June 20.
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think of it like this, both are equally canon to z, meaning that anything that they ad cosmology wise retroactively applies to z, and since z is canon to both, then it applies to both
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"The plot created by Toriyama-sensei is a starting point for both anime and manga, but then we work independently from each other. The possibilities of anime and manga are different, so each one tries to adapt the scenario in the best possible way. So there is almost no direct connection between the anime and the manga".
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"almost no conection" meaning that there is one
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