Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Eden_Warlock99]

That originates in an anime-based guide.

Ah, good to know
Still, pretty sure old multiplier standards required the multipliers to be stated in the original work

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I mean, Super Saiyan...

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

It was like accepted as a x40 multiplier for awhile lol

 

[RedReaper616]

I mean, Super Saiyan...

Speaking of, El Manga Legendario was used to get the SSJ2 and Grade multipliers, which is fine, but why isn’t this on the verse page adding to/replacing the denial of SSJ2 and SSJ3 multiplier explanation?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

We can't have SSJ2 as a x100 multiplier and a x1000 one at the same time

 

[pineappleman]

Oh! That means you'll have seen:

• "Goku, Beerus, and the heat"
  • Adding Temperature Manipulation to Goku, Goku Black, and Beerus
  • Adding Resistance to Extreme Heat to Goku and Goku Black
• "Huge stamina upgrade for Tatsumaki"
  • Upgrading Tatsumaki's stamina to Very High
• "Chi-Chi upgrades and minor revisions"
  • Overhauled Chi-Chi's profile
• "Minor Chronoa Revisions"
  • Upgrading Chronoa to Future Warrior 2's level
  • Adding Martial Arts
• "Dr. Gero and Android 19 upgrade and slight revisions"
  • Overhauled Dr. Gero and Android 19's profiles
• "A universe in the palm of his hands... (Dragon Ball Heroes)"
  • Upgrading Dark King Fu to Immeasurable Lifting Strength
• "Dragon Ball's Upgrades to 4-C"
  • Upgrading Future Trunks and Mecha Frieza to 4-C
  • Upgrading King Cold to At least Low 4-C+
• "Buu Saga Revisions (Videl, Mr. Satan, etc.)"
  • Overhauling Mr. Satan, Videl, and Spopovich
• "DBS 5-C Upgrade"
  • Upgrading Pre-Wish Granolah and Gas, and Bardock to 5-C
• "Getting rid of "Chou""
  • Changing "Chou" to "DBS Manga"
  • Changing "Dragon Ball Super" to "DBS Anime"
• "Super Saiyan Multiplier CRT"
  • Accepting Super Saiyan multiplier
• "Removing Hakai from the Angels (DBS)"
  • Removing Existence Erasure from Angels
• ""Since 1993, he's been using Telepathy. Ask about it." (Dragon Ball)"
  • Revising Goku's Telepathy
• "real quick dragon ball thing"
  • Removing scans from Dragon Ball Z: The Anime Adventure Game from verse cosmology
• ""Goku creeps, yeah, just creepin' on the down low" (Dragon Ball)"
  • Adding Stealth Mastery and Limited Perception Manipulation to Goku
• "Saiyans' Limited Longevity"
  • Adding Limited Longevity to Saiyans
• "Third Grade Super Saiyan Multiplier"
  • Accepting Third Grade Super Saiyan multiplier

your downgrades affect the verse on this wiki more than these upgrades ever will, besides maybe the SSJ multiplier. I promise you that if you downgraded Goku into not having stealth mastery, limited perception manipulation, longevity, temperature manipulation and resistance alongside half the abilities on his profile but still upgraded him to 2-A, you'd still be seen as DB's savior.

 

[Deagonx]

I cannot fathom why Goku being 2-A would be seen as a good thing by fans of the series.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

bruh I was making a giant response, guess I'll keep the 9-A human upgrade to the Bulma rework thread

 

[ZillertheBucko]

bruh I was making a giant response, guess I'll keep the 9-A human upgrade to the Bulma rework thread

why even bother, when no 9-A human will ever defeat Lord Boros?
also thread getting closed at a bad time is too familiar, absolutely tough.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

I’m noticing that the db discussion crt has more mods in it now not a bad thing though

 

[MeiouHades]

your downgrades affect the verse on this wiki more than these upgrades ever will, besides maybe the SSJ multiplier. I promise you that if you downgraded Goku into not having stealth mastery, limited perception manipulation, longevity, temperature manipulation and resistance alongside half the abilities on his profile but still upgraded him to 2-A, you'd still be seen as DB's savior.

Thank you for saying it for me.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Thank you for saying it for me.

Why you din't say it trought?

 

[TiltedFN]

I cannot fathom why Goku being 2-A would be seen as a good thing by fans of the series.

what

 

[ChronoULT]

let be real here, aside from the Low 1-C thread which i'm still participating, i care more about gathering scans and references for the verse. when I active on this wiki, like almost all DB profiles have no scan, can we focus on update the quality of our verse profiles???

I am working on a DBS manga Goku profile revamp, but it's going to take some time. For now, I'm making things more aesthetically pleasing, removing unnecessary things and adding missing abilities

 

[MeiouHades]

Why you din't say it trought?

No point in arguing any further. It’s a waste of everyone’s time especially mine. In fact I’ve noticed, on this forum, that it is extremely rare to convince someone of anything if they aren’t already after 3-4 comments. Anything more ends up being a waste of time for everyone.

 

[Deagonx]

what

I don't understand your question

 

[MeiouHades]

what

He’s asking us why we think a strong character being rated as such would make us happy, lol. Can’t make this up

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I am working on a DBS manga Goku profile revamp, but it's going to take some time. For now, I'm making things more aesthetically pleasing, removing unnecessary things and adding missing abilities

Oh yeah, we can't do the [Value] anymore
Can still do the Kira version tho

 

[Deagonx]

He’s asking us why we think a strong character being rated as such would make us happy, lol. Can’t make this up

You're right. It confuses me. Why would you be excited for Goku to have a rating that deviates so severely from his actual power? You would be happy, not upset, to see that his profile was wildly wildly wrong and was pretending he was way more powerful than he was?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

No point in arguing any further. It’s a waste of everyone’s time especially mine. In fact I’ve noticed, on this forum, that it is extremely rare to convince someone of anything if they aren’t already after 3-4 comments. Anything more ends up being a waste of time for everyone.

I wonder if increasing the charisma stat would solve that issue, I think you can start adding some points to it when becoming LV5

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

true fans only want goku at planetary guys, like why would you want him to be stronger?

 

[MeiouHades]

You're right. It confuses me. Why would you be excited for Goku to have a rating that deviates so severely from his actual power? You would be happy, not upset, to see that his profile was wildly wildly wrong and was pretending he was way more powerful than he was?

Do you actually think he was talking about Goku literally being rated at 2-A?

 

[ChronoULT]

Oh yeah, we can't do the [Value] anymore
Can still do the Kira version tho

Good to know, thanks

 

[MeiouHades]

true fans only want goku at planetary guys, like why would you want him to be stronger?

Then there isn’t a truer Goku fan than vs wiki mods lol. Especially Deagon, a true Goku fan. Why’re we even here? Let him do all the scaling.

 

[Deagonx]

Do you actually think he was talking about Goku literally being rated at 2-A?

So you're saying that if Goku was literally 2-A, you would be unhappy with that?

true fans only want goku at planetary guys, like why would you want him to be stronger?

VSBW profiles don't make characters stronger. They can either be accurate or inaccurate. Imo yes, true fans want profiles to be accurate

 

[TiltedFN]

You're right. It confuses me. Why would you be excited for Goku to have a rating that deviates so severely from his actual power? You would be happy, not upset, to see that his profile was wildly wildly wrong and was pretending he was way more powerful than he was?

Man the fact that people think anything above 2-C for DB is just wank, wrong, and stupid will always be funny. People just can't fathom db being strong, they hate it so much, i dont understand.

 

[Deagonx]

Man the fact that people think anything above 2-C for DB is just wank, wrong, and stupid will always be funny. People just can't fathom db being strong.

That wasn't an answer to my question.

 

[MeiouHades]

So you're saying that if Goku was literally 2-A, you would be unhappy with that?

I don’t like the fact that Base Toei Goku is rated 2-C, what do you think? You think all DB fans want here is to just upgrade DB mindlessly?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I'm up for 2A Goku, if he gets a 2A feat.

So you're saying that if Goku was literally 2-A, you would be unhappy with that?

It sounded like you were the one who would be unhappy with 2A Goku. I think the hypothetical that was presented about Goku being 2A came with the unsaid assumption he had proper backing for that rating, it was a question that assumed good faith.

 

[MeiouHades]

That wasn't an answer to my question.

It was.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

So you're saying that if Goku was literally 2-A, you would be unhappy with that?



VSBW profiles don't make characters stronger. They can either be accurate or inaccurate. Imo yes, true fans want profiles to be accurate

It was tongue and cheek chief, I wasn't taking any actual stance with that post, just trying to add levity

 

[pineappleman]

You're right. It confuses me. Why would you be excited for Goku to have a rating that deviates so severely from his actual power? You would be happy, not upset, to see that his profile was wildly wildly wrong and was pretending he was way more powerful than he was?

you're going off a false premise here, most of the DB supporters believe that Goku's strength is higher than is portrayed in the wiki, and that his profile currently is 'wildly wildly wrong'

 

[MeiouHades]

Might be hard for him to believe but DB fans aren’t here to get Goku to 1-A or anything. We are here to prevent bullshit like Low 2-C and below.

 

[Deagonx]

I don’t like the fact that Base Toei Goku is rated 2-C, what do you think? You think all DB fans want here is to just upgrade DB mindlessly?

If I thought that, I wouldn't have asked you the question that you still have not answered.

I'm up for 2A Goku, if he gets a 2A feat. I don't know why it was assumed people would want
It sounded like you were the one who would be unhappy with 2A Goku. I think the hypothetical that was presented about Goku being 2A came with the unsaid assumption he had proper backing for that rating, it was a question that assumed good faith.

Why would that be the case?

It was.

It wasn't. My question remains unanswered.

It was tongue and cheek chief, I wasn't taking any actual stance with that post, just trying to add levity

A lot of people actually think that way.

you're going off a false premise here, most of the DB supporters believe that Goku's strength is higher than is portrayed in the wiki, and that his profile currently is 'wildly wildly wrong'

And that's a travesty, to be honest. People should strive for accuracy, not inflating a rating to whatever can be feasibly argued for. Many profiles are wildly overrated beyond what is justified by the source material.

Might be hard for him to believe but DB fans aren’t here to get Goku to 1-A or anything. We are here to prevent bullshit like Low 2-C and below.

DB fans aren't a monolith, believe it or not. There are several who would actually love to see Goku become 1-A, because it's treated like a pissing contest between different Fandoms, accuracy is secondary.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

You can't really be fully accurate with this stuff, there's always room for interpretation, a lot of it is interpretive

 

[Deagonx]

Tier 6 regular humans isn't interpretive. It's a product of battleboards and battleboards only.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Eh, I just take it as Toriyama not actually knowing how much energy is actually needed to destroy the Moon, it's simply a byproduct of that
Also I still believe humans in DB are High 6-A, but I ain't able to convince anyone lol

 

[TiltedFN]

DB fans aren't a monolith, believe it or not. There are several who would actually love to see Goku become 1-A, because it's treated like a pissing contest between different Fandoms, accuracy is secondary.

There are tons of fandoms like that, not just us smh, yeah but you don't have to worry about anything above 2-C, because it will never happen on here.

 

[pineappleman]

And that's a travesty, to be honest. People should strive for accuracy, not inflating a rating to whatever can be feasibly argued for. Many profiles are wildly overrated beyond what is justified by the source material.

you consider people having a different opinion than you, backed by official sources a travesty?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

If I thought that, I wouldn't have asked you the question that you still have not answered.


Why would that be the case?

It wasn't. My question remains unanswered.

A lot of people actually think that way.

And that's a travesty, to be honest. People should strive for accuracy, not inflating a rating to whatever can be feasibly argued for. Many profiles are wildly overrated beyond what is justified by the source material.


DB fans aren't a monolith, believe it or not. There are several who would actually love to see Goku become 1-A, because it's treated like a pissing contest between different Fandoms, accuracy is secondary.

Why would I assume good faith when engaging in a hypothetical?

'A lot of people think that way' okay well I just told you it was tongue and cheek.