Death Battle Season Seven Discussion Thread (3) (Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Jasonsith]

y do u guys still care about Death Battle?

its been shit since S3 lol

Ben and Chad are complete hacks that can't even do basic math

It is the other way round: Death Battle is less shitty from Season 5 onwards. We have less the likes of Rogue VS Wonder Woman, Bomberman VS Dig Dug, Link VS Cloud, Luigi VS Tails, Gaara VS Toph, Guts VS Nightmare, Yang VS Tifa, Meta VS Carolina and more.

Something Something "esdeath is 16 exatons lol"

Even though if Esdeath scaled to the exact energy output of her storm, then one attack would expend all its energy

If Death Battle workers believe in 16 exaton TNT Esdeath, why do they not believe in 7-B Johnny Cage, which should let him defeat High 7-C Captain Falcon?

 

[Foxthefox1000]

Because Captain Falcon 'bout to receive an upgrade

 

[Theuser789]

Season 3 also had Shadow vs Mewtwo which was complete shit for me not because it was innacurate (which was) but because they portrayed Shadow awfuly there

 

[ZMusok]

Actually, if I may ask one question regarding Grays ice resistance: The proof that it is a resistance and not an immunity is the fight with Invel. But Invel states, that his ice is capable of freezing the ice of others. There is later a scene, where Gray actually copies Invel's ice as stated by Invel himself. Couldn't that mean, that Invel's ice has magical properties, that ignore ice immunity (he himself stated that his ice ignores such stuff) instead of simply being too powerful or too cold? This would also fit better with FT lore, where Slayers are immune to their own element (excetion being other Slayer Magic - basically magic with Special magical proportions)? Just asking, since this contradiction between Lore and Show rubs me in the wrong way somehow.

 

[Jasonsith]

@ZMusok

Gray can LEARN magic stronger than he already posses on the spot? Need more explanation with screens. But this means one more advantage for Gray.

https://g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2020/03/?m=0

The blog is not yet out - the materials re Gray vs Esdeath are not yet uploaded.

 

[ZMusok]

Basically it happens in chapter 500 of the Fairy Tail manga. Invel states, that his ice is ice from the depths of the underworld (potentially different from the ice that Esdeath uses). A few pages later Invel states, that Gray is using ice of the same properties as his armor (again: properties not coldness) and survives the all freezing effect of the armor.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

 

[Speedyroj]

Blog's out

https://g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2020/03/death-battle-predictions-gray-vs-esdeath.html

 

[Jasonsith]

G1 blog for Gray Fullbuster vs Esdeath

The bloggers claim for equal split.

Maybe, just maybe, everyone can make a wild guess.

In fact I am "spirited" to "change" my vote to Gray. How do you all feel?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

"Is shown to be an equal to Erza Scarlet, who is one of the strongest Fairy Tail Members"

Yikes, that is not entirely correct, Gray is somewhat comparable, but not exactly equal, also the Invel calc is very wrong since they're assuming that Invel made an entire storm over the entire country, even if that were true, the country was at the time 1/20th it's original size

 

[DragonEmperor23]

The 1/20th was taken into account.

"However, Gray can reach even higher. Invel was capable of creating a blizzard that covered most of Fiore. Now granted, Fiore was 1/20th of its size at that time, but this calc has Fiore at 5132.8 kilometers wide. That's bigger than the U.S. 1/20th of that would be around 200 kilometers wide. Assuming it happened at the center and using the 4 second timeframe from the anime, I got around 63.17 teratons of TNT, which is country level. However, the context of this arc matters as well: Invel and his guild were trying to take over the Fairy Tail guild, so it was off center based on the map. This increases the result by a good bit. Assuming the blizzard formed at where Fairy Tail is located and extended up to the coast as the radius, you get around 390 teratons of TNT, which is large country level."

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Nevermind then, I still don't think he created a storm around the whole country

 

[Phantom_Falcon]

keep in mind that we are highballing that. also CAPE seems more applicable than KE, which...gets only a bit over 1 megaton. yikes

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

The fact this debate between Esdeath and Gray, is still going strong is actually impressive, I can't remember the last time there was a match-up that sparked such debate on this site.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

keep in mind that we are highballing that. also CAPE seems more applicable than KE, which...gets only a bit over 1 megaton. yikes

CAPE for Esdeath's storm was like island level

 

[Phantom_Falcon]

actually it was country

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Still lower than deus sama if I remember the calcs correctly Besides, KE is fine for both of them going by the animation/manga

 

[Phantom_Falcon]

fair, just saying CAPE for Invel's feat is probably a bit more reliable

 

[Tipper17]

IDk will DB have them at those numbers they

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

IDk will DB have them at those numbers they

Kirsche calced the storm at 441 petatons. the Calc group calced it at 16 exatons. I'd wager DB will likely use the former, but I don't think it'll matter either way.

 

[Tipper17]

Kirsche calced the storm at 441 petatons. the Calc group calced it at 16 exatons. I'd wager DB will likely use the former, but I don't think it'll matter either way.

I'm just saying given DB tends To lowball here and there a bit

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

Kirsche is literally one of the DB researchers. I'm pretty sure they'll use that.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Blog's out

https://g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2020/03/death-battle-predictions-gray-vs-esdeath.html

Huh?

They're using my Esdeath Respect Thread I made.

My ssme imgur scans and copy pasted my words. That's cool.

 

[Kingo_the_Sixth]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not lol.


But as someone who contributed a bit to this blog, yeah a lot of the scans and wording is from the respect thread. Apologies for the plagiarism.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

It's cool, I'd assume if they did they would've contacted me for an opinion or clarification on some of the scans/albums though.

 

[Kingo_the_Sixth]

Yeah, we didn't think to do something like that. Again, apologies.

There was a bit of debate over translations, mainly for the timestop resistance stuff. There was a bit of arguing over it, and it was brought up how using different translations suggests entirely different things about how Tatsumi moving in the time stop worked. IE I believe one translation directly links him adapting to the tundras as a reason for him moving in it, while another simply brings it up as an example of Incursio's adapatation abilties. It's just one line of dialogue from Esdeath, but it completely changes the context how her timestop was resisted depending on what translation you use.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

You guys didn't think to use the official English volume extra of the author's words on Esdeath's ability?

 

[Kingo_the_Sixth]

That actually was brought up, mainly due to your old thread on this site about resisting her timestop where you posted a scan of it lol. That was linked a few times. The translation thing was just an example to show how finicky the argument for it being simple cold resistance that allowed Tatsumi to move could be.

Ultimately different people on the blog went with different interpretations of it, but I can at least say that I and a few other people vouched for cold resist not being enough to resist her timestop. I think it's addressed in a few of the verdicts?

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Yeah I noticed a few of the verdicts bring up similar points that I've made here and where my Respect Thread was. It was a good read.

 

[Kingo_the_Sixth]

Oh, thank you lol.

But yeah there were a lot of the arguments over the verdict here, which is why it ended up with a tie. I think DB is gonna have Esdeath win, but eh, who knows. Lot of debatable factors here. I blame how the two series are written.

 

[Foxthefox1000]

We'll know tomorrow.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

I thought it goes up Monday, not Sunday.

 

[Kingo_the_Sixth]

Sunday for first members, Monday for youtube. Unless it gets leaked a day before like last fight.

 

[Tipper17]

I thought it goes up Monday, not Sunday.

Sunday for early memebers

 

[Jasonsith]

VBW use 440000 m/s or Mach 1282.799 for all lightning feats.

Death Battle uses stepped leader speed for normal lightning speed, which should travel at ~200,000 mph or 89408 m/s (they uses the figure of 98000 m/s or ~Mach 286 though).

If the lightning is determined to be a return stroke, then it is 1/3 to 2/3 speed of light.

1. Since Death Battle uses Mach 286 lightning (unless said lightning is deemed a return stroke), does that further discounts the speed of Esdeath (and of Akame and Tatsumi)?

2. How will Death Battle interpret preparation? Batman has preparation but Death Battle always ban prep time Batman. And full power ISCIC (where the petaton TNT to exaton TNT figures come from) requires > 3 days preparation work on creating and amping around 100,000 Ice Cavalry one by one to boot up.

One may argue the attack still has the effect of boosting the ice general up to ~400 teraton TNT, but that already gets close to the ~200 teraton TNT feat by Erza and ~390 teraton TNT feat by Invel. (I mean, 1% to 2 times as strong AP advantage.)

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

I can't speak for the research team, but the G1 group collectively agreed that the best way to scale the storm would be to divide its total yield by each soldier.

That said, it would be hard to say that Esdeath scales 1:1 to that, as if her power in this state matched the output of the storm, then one hit would dispel it. Realistically, I think it's reasonable to scale her to the other feats in the verse and leave it at that.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

And yeah, Gray would be anywhere from 100 to 500 times faster depending on the end you use (Higher if you consider that Esdeath's speed feat accounted for a straight line despite the fact that the lightning zig-zagged, which would shave a chunk off of the yield)

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

I can't speak for the research team, but the G1 group collectively agreed that the best way to scale the storm would be to divide its total yield by each soldier.
That said, it would be hard to say that Esdeath scales 1:1 to that, as if her power in this state matched the output of the storm, then one hit would dispel it. Realistically, I think it's reasonable to scale her to the other feats in the verse and leave it at that.

It wasn't collectively agreed, only 3 of the 16 pointed it out.

They also pointed out issues with this because they assumed Esdeath made 10,000 soldiers and then divided the timeframe of few days which gave them Esdeath having a 1.1 petaton casual output since they assumed she could make an Ice Calvary every 12 seconds. The glaring issue that she's shown to make 4 with a snap of her finger.

There's a lot of assumption being done here.

 

[ZephyrosOmega]

I can't speak for the research team, but the G1 group collectively agreed that the best way to scale the storm would be to divide its total yield by each soldier.
That said, it would be hard to say that Esdeath scales 1:1 to that, as if her power in this state matched the output of the storm, then one hit would dispel it. Realistically, I think it's reasonable to scale her to the other feats in the verse and leave it at that.

It wasn't collectively agreed, only 3 of the 16 pointed it out.
They also pointed out issues with this because they assumed Esdeath made 10,000 soldiers and then divided the timeframe of few days which gave them Esdeath having a 1.1 petaton casual output since they assumed she could make an Ice Calvary every 12 seconds. The glaring issue that she's shown to make 4 with a snap of her finger.

There's a lot of assumption being done here.

I don't remember you. Were you actually ON the G1 discord?

 

[Kingo_the_Sixth]

Nah, pretty sure he's just commenting on the blog itself and what some of the verdicts said.

A few of the verdicts in the blog mention the whole "divide 10000 by three days" thing being a dubious method of working things out, but do it anwyays as like a hypothetical. Some of the others just give her the full CIC.