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How high is the speedforce to Darkseid? It should be roughly the same comparison
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The speed force is close to the god sphere, so i'd say it's close to darkseid aswell.
 
Okay loser ring

1/2/3. Lex Luthor, Batman, Goku Black - hard to determine here - Lex managed to fight a Lantern, Batman with Hellbat managed to fight a Darkseid avatar, Goku Black is Goku Black but while universe level he has a weak spot (while that weak spot only cripples resistance towards time huh)
4. Yoda - do not mess with a Jedi unless you own its franchise
5. Steven Universe - Pink Steven Monster Steven yada yada
6. Link - relativistic and at most planet busting
7. Ryuko Matoi - sub-relativistic and giant steel cocoon piercing
8. Iron Fist - nuke absorption, trade blows with Hulk level foes (may be lower - in fact "slightly higher than below")
9. Geese Howard - Verse and predictabo (may be higher)
10. Mikasa Ackerman - Slightly above wall level human with city block level primitive rocket launcher. Yep many people can beat her.

so godbuster is too slow to blitz Doom...
So how does he defeat Batman who can tag Darkseid?
 
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Okay loser ring

1/2/3. Lex Luthor, Batman, Goku Black - hard to determine here - Lex managed to fight a Lantern, Batman with Hellbat managed to fight a Darkseid avatar, Goku Black is Goku Black but while universe level he has a weak spot (while that weak spot only cripples resistance towards time huh)
4. Yoda - do not mess with a Jedi unless you own its franchise
5. Steven Universe - Pink Steven Monster Steven yada yada
6. Link - relativistic and at most planet busting
7. Ryuko Matoi - sub-relativistic and giant steel cocoon piercing
8. Iron Fist - nuke absorption, trade blows with Hulk level foes (may be lower - in fact "slightly higher than below")
9. Geese Howard - Verse and predictabo (may be higher)
10. Mikasa Ackerman - Slightly above wall level human with city block level primitive rocket launcher. Yep many people can beat her.


So how does he defeat Batman who can tag Darkseid?
They basically summed in up. All Tony has to do is prolong the fight long enough for the armor to kill bruce, which Tony is fully capable enough of doing.
 
They basically summed in up. All Tony has to do is prolong the fight long enough for the armor to kill bruce, which Tony is fully capable enough of doing.
But can Iron Man do so before the Hellbat or Final Batsuit track down the real deal and any backup if Batman has the speed gap and (possibly) the AP gap to kill Tony before Tony knows a plan or the suit can kill Bruce?
(Okay we know the true potential towards the Phoenix Buster but Death Battle really did a poor job to say how Batman cannot end the fight quickly.
Or they would save this part for Raven vs Phoenix or Zatanna vs Scarlet Witch)

Archie Sonic vs Xeno Goku would be super epic
Heroes Goku vs Rebirth Superman
VS
Heroes/Xeno Goku vs Archie Sonic
What a battle









I wonder if people would want Goku (Dragonball Evolution) vs Superman (DC Extended Universe) at all, even if it MAY mean Goku winning Superman.
 
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Again, you could give the AP they gave to RF and give that to Black and keep RF at IMP level only and he'd still win realistically.

But yeah, its called observable universe for a reason. It very well could be infinite. And if that is stupid, it still doesn't mean that 5.39e59 x universe size DC uni good.
 
So as it turns out the DC universe's size may not be as impressive as we initially thought, since the universe could easily be 150 sextillion times the size of the observable universe, meaning the DC universe might actually be smaller than our own, and by extension pretty much every other fictional universe.
DC would still scale to this though, they never say the universe is 100 trillion light years in size it's just that there's an instance of someone traveling 100 trillion light years somewhere in the universe.
 
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