Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Thebrawlbro]

Yeah, from Ultras QnA blog, they used Observable Universe as the baseline, which is fine. We have no idea how big the universe actually is, so just keeping it simple with that works

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Maybe we could have Low 3-A for the observable universe, 3-A for the theorized full size of the universe, and High 3-A for an infinite universe. This might actually be really important, come to think about it.

That's like a Site Wide Revision. Good luck getting that added.

 

[The_Smashor]

Thanks, I'll need it.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Yeah as long as DB (and like, most of the internet) uses the Observable universe as a baseline DC still keeps its crown.

Though if we start using that higher estimate then a bunch of characters are due for speed upgrades.

 

[Greenshifter]

That'd be a stomp wouldn't it? Not that DB hasn't done those before, but not only is it one of those "non canon OP versions of the main character" battles but as far as I've seen from Xeno he's got no resistance to Archie's more beefy hax

Xeno Goku in Heroes would actually beat Archie Sonic

 

[Tipper17]

Xeno Goku in Heroes would actually beat Archie Sonic

Legit how

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Xeno Goku in Heroes would actually beat Archie Sonic

^This man has Xeno Goku at 7D so don’t take his opinions on the MU seriously

 

[Greenshifter]

So as it turns out the DC universe's size may not be as impressive as we initially thought, since the universe could easily be 150 sextillion times the size of the observable universe, meaning the DC universe might actually be smaller than our own, and by extension pretty much every other fictional universe.

Thawne still godstomps, but beating DC heralds is far from a lost cause.

If you use that then you have to use the cosmic inflation for DC as well. Which is the constant 60 trillion lightyears in a second.

 

[Greenshifter]

Legit how

Dimensional Domain + sealing kek

^This man has Xeno Goku at 7D so don’t take his opinions on the MU seriously

I actually don’t Mav. At least not yet. Also wouldn’t the quality of my arguments matter rather than what tier I have him at?

 

[Stefano4444]

Though if we start using that higher estimate then a bunch of characters are due for speed upgrades.

Massive Speeds and AP upgrades for everyone and a downgrade for all universe busters in the DCverse.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I actually don’t Mav. At least not yet. Also wouldn’t the quality of my arguments matter rather than what tier I have him at?

You told me otherwise Green

 

[Tipper17]

So....
Outside of DC,DB and Marvel
Which series can play the my universe is bigger than your Universe card

 

[Greenshifter]

Massive Speeds and AP upgrades for everyone and a downgrade for all universe busters in the DCverse.

Shazam can actually still use his lightning he normally uses to transform in a universe that is like 10^59 times larger than the DC universe.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Massive Speeds and AP upgrades for everyone

Yes

and a downgrade for all universe busters in the DCverse.

No

DC would still scale to this though, they never say the universe is 100 trillion light years in size it's just that there's an instance of someone traveling 100 trillion light years somewhere in the universe.

 

[Greenshifter]

You told me otherwise Green

Yes I did but Zero debunked it, but then it turns out there are also metafictional mangas but all continuity is messed up and then it turns out Zen can somewhat counter Zero’s debunk with new arguments and because it is very unclear who scales to what in which continuity… imma just be sticking with 5D for now until that mess gets dealt with.

 

[Stefano4444]

If you use that then you have to use the cosmic inflation for DC as well. Which is the constant 60 trillion lightyears in a second.

One Light-year in Meters = 9.4605284e15 meters

9.4605284e15*60e12 = 5.67631704e29 m

Age of the Universe in Seconds = 4.36117077e17 s

4.36117077e17*5.67631704e29 = 2.4755388e47 m


Observable Universe in Meters = 8.8e26 m

Theory of Cosmic Inflation Alan Guth = 1.5e23 times the Observable Universe.

1.5e23*8.8e26 = 1.32e50 m


Difference in size = 1.32e50 / 2.4755388e47 = 533.217254

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

So....
Outside of DC,DB and Marvel
Which series can play the my universe is bigger than your Universe card

Archie Sonic’s Prime Zone is infinite

 

[Stefano4444]

No

Not downgrade in the sense that they got weaker but because the standard change, which means the gap in strength no longer exist.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Dimensional Domain + sealing won't work period kek.

I actually don’t Mav. At least not yet. Also wouldn’t the quality of my arguments matter rather than what tier I have him at?

And some folks have legitimate arguments for 11D to Outerversal Archie/Composite Sonic yet most folks (myself included) don't take them seriously regardless of the "quality of arguments" and good luck getting them accepted here or any credible VS platform.

Yes I did but Zero debunked it, but then it turns out there are also metafictional mangas but all continuity is messed up and then it turns out Zen can somewhat counter Zero’s debunk with new arguments and because it is very unclear who scales to what in which continuity… imma just be sticking with 5D for now until that mess gets dealt with.

And will you be pushing for revisions or is it just bark? Kek!

 

[Greenshifter]

So....
Outside of DC,DB and Marvel
Which series can play the my universe is bigger than your Universe card

Ben 10, the Null Void is a pocket dimension with its own flow of time, yet is stated to be endless.

 

[Tipper17]

Archie Sonic’s Prime Zone is infinite

Numbers son

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

Our universe has a confirmed size?

93 billion light-years

 

[Greenshifter]

One Light-year in Meters = 9.4605284e15 meters

9.4605284e15*60e12 = 5.67631704e29 m

Age of the Universe in Seconds = 4.36117077e17 s

4.36117077e17*5.67631704e29 = 2.4755388e47 m


Observable Universe in Meters = 8.8e26 m

Theory of Cosmic Inflation Alan Guth = 1.5e23 times the Observable Universe.

1.5e23*8.8e26 = 1.32e50 m


Difference in size = 1.32e50 / 2.4755388e47 = 533.217254

They are actually very comparable.

You eh messed up the maths there… cosmic inflation is just lightspeed times age. And the Dc universe has 60 trillion lightyears/s times age…

 

[Greenshifter]

And some folks have legitimate arguments for 11D to Outerversal Archie/Composite Sonic yet most folks (myself included) don't take them seriously regardless of the "quality of arguments" and good luck getting them accepted here or any credible VS platform.

So what you’re saying is that the quality of their arguments suck, which is why they don’t accept it. Because if they didn’t suck, you’d get them accepted on a credible VS platform. In other words, everything depends on the quality of the arguments rather than the common perception of certain verses, exactly as it should be.

And will you be pushing for revisions or is it just bark? Kek!

DBH is way too complicated to just revise as a casual. That say I will debate you on it or more accurately explain what the hell is going on in DBH in private if you want. I also don’t see why not pushing for revisions on a certain verse, but instead laying out scaling is just “barking”, I imagine barking would be saying stuff like “Supes is universal” without even knowing the arguments. (I love how this also implies that something is only legit if it’s been accepted by VSBW and isn’t if it’s not, which is hilarious to say the least.)

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

So what you’re saying is that the quality of their arguments suck, which is why they don’t accept it. Because if they didn’t suck, you’d get them accepted on a credible VS platform. In other words, everything depends on the quality of the arguments rather than the common perception of certain verses, exactly as it should be.

Hard agree on the last part (even tho argument form incredulity is still rampant) however I never said not taking an argument seriously means they suck, the quality of Vs standards changes all the time and is in constant flux. Just because folks don't take an argument seriously it doesn't mean it sucks, there's various other reasons as well.

 

[Greenshifter]

however I never said not taking an argument seriously means they suck, the quality of Vs standards changes all the time and is in constant flux

Yeah I guess that is a problem on VSBW indeed.

 

[Stefano4444]

You eh messed up the maths there… cosmic inflation is just lightspeed times age. And the Dc universe has 60 trillion lightyears/s times age…

Well shit so no matter what verse, DC heralds will always ended up AP stomping and speedblitz everyone.

Yeah, neither Pegasus Seiya or Simon the Digger are going to win their fights.

 

[The_Smashor]

Simon the Digger

Dimensional tiering, bitch.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Oh shit, using the size of Touhou Project’s “Heaven” there’s a chance Sakuya could statstomp Hit and surpass DC Heralds. Heaven is big enough for beings as large as Amitabha to live there, who is Googolplexes times larger than the size of the observable universe

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

DBH is way too complicated to just revise as a casual. That say I will debate you on it or more accurately explain what the hell is going on in DBH in private if you want. I also don’t see why not pushing for revisions on a certain verse, but instead laying out scaling is just “barking”, I imagine barking would be saying stuff like “Supes is universal” without even knowing the arguments. (I love how this also implies that something is only legit if it’s been accepted by VSBW and isn’t if it’s not, which is hilarious to say the least.)

If the DBH (5D or higher) arguments involve any cross-scaling to Xeno (Crack in time) or timelines within timelines/The "real" world then don't bother I've already received an extensive explanation on the cosmology twice on other sites. Plus my stance it pretty much immovable.

Yeah I guess that is a problem on VSBW indeed.

A problem in the Vs community in general tbh, less we forgot how popular anti-scaling was awhile back.

 

[Tipper17]

Well shit so no matter what verse, DC heralds will always ended up AP stomping and speedblitz everyone.

Yeah, neither Pegasus Seiya or Simon the Digger are going to win their fights.

I mean Doom won his fight
Seiya has Hax and Speed on his side

 

[Stefano4444]

Dimensional tiering, bitch.

Just wait, they are going to make Kyle Rayner Hyperverse level.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Just wait, they are going to make Kyle Rayner Hyperverse level.

How is that 1-B?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Oh shit, using the size of Touhou Project’s “Heaven” there’s a chance Sakuya could statstomp Hit and surpass DC Heralds. Heaven is big enough for beings as large as Amitabha to live there, who is Googolplexes times larger than the size of the observable universe

That's some THICCC danmaku but either way I'm more curious how the DB research team will process then rate 2hu since the characters range betweem 9-B to 1-A depending on which Vs community you follow.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

How is that 1-B?

 

[Tipper17]

Oh shit, using the size of Touhou Project’s “Heaven” there’s a chance Sakuya could statstomp Hit and surpass DC Heralds. Heaven is big enough for beings as large as Amitabha to live there, who is Googolplexes times larger than the size of the observable universe

Outside of that what are any sources to confirm heaven size

 

[Stefano4444]

I mean Doom won his fight

To be honest considering the size difference between Marvel and DC's universes, i'm surprise Lex actually lost when he had such massive AP and Speed advantages.

I mean Doom won his fight
Seiya has Hax and Speed on his side

They will have Shazam scale to Hal Jordan, Superman and Flash's high end feats.

No way Seiya or Saint Seiya in general its going to match that kind of craziness.

How is that 1-B?

196,833 dimensional spaces = Hyperverse level.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

To be honest considering the size difference between Marvel and DC's universes, i'm surprise Lex actually lost when he had such massive AP and Speed advantages.


They will have Shazam scale to Hal Jordan, Superman and Flash's high end feats.

No way Seiya or Saint Seiya in general its going to match that kind of craziness.

196,833 dimensional spaces = Hyperverse level.

Nah bruh that’s 2-B

 

[The_Smashor]

Also that's an outlier.

 

[Tipper17]

They will have Shazam scale to Hal Jordan, Superman and Flash's high end feats.

No way Seiya or Saint Seiya in general its going to match that kind of craziness.

Given How DB be with DC characters speed it shouldn't be much of an issue
Plus Seiya can match the BS speed and Shazam has nothing to beat Seiya Hax