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Yeah, from Ultras QnA blog, they used Observable Universe as the baseline, which is fine. We have no idea how big the universe actually is, so just keeping it simple with that works
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That's like a Site Wide Revision. Good luck getting that added.Maybe we could have Low 3-A for the observable universe, 3-A for the theorized full size of the universe, and High 3-A for an infinite universe. This might actually be really important, come to think about it.
Xeno Goku in Heroes would actually beat Archie SonicThat'd be a stomp wouldn't it? Not that DB hasn't done those before, but not only is it one of those "non canon OP versions of the main character" battles but as far as I've seen from Xeno he's got no resistance to Archie's more beefy hax
Legit howXeno Goku in Heroes would actually beat Archie Sonic
^This man has Xeno Goku at 7D so don’t take his opinions on the MU seriouslyXeno Goku in Heroes would actually beat Archie Sonic
If you use that then you have to use the cosmic inflation for DC as well. Which is the constant 60 trillion lightyears in a second.So as it turns out the DC universe's size may not be as impressive as we initially thought, since the universe could easily be 150 sextillion times the size of the observable universe, meaning the DC universe might actually be smaller than our own, and by extension pretty much every other fictional universe.
Thawne still godstomps, but beating DC heralds is far from a lost cause.
Dimensional Domain + sealing kekLegit how
I actually don’t Mav. At least not yet. Also wouldn’t the quality of my arguments matter rather than what tier I have him at?^This man has Xeno Goku at 7D so don’t take his opinions on the MU seriously
Massive Speeds and AP upgrades for everyone and a downgrade for all universe busters in the DCverse.Though if we start using that higher estimate then a bunch of characters are due for speed upgrades.
I actually don’t Mav. At least not yet. Also wouldn’t the quality of my arguments matter rather than what tier I have him at?
Shazam can actually still use his lightning he normally uses to transform in a universe that is like 10^59 times larger than the DC universe.Massive Speeds and AP upgrades for everyone and a downgrade for all universe busters in the DCverse.
YesMassive Speeds and AP upgrades for everyone
Noand a downgrade for all universe busters in the DCverse.
DC would still scale to this though, they never say the universe is 100 trillion light years in size it's just that there's an instance of someone traveling 100 trillion light years somewhere in the universe.
You told me otherwise Green
One Light-year in Meters = 9.4605284e15 metersIf you use that then you have to use the cosmic inflation for DC as well. Which is the constant 60 trillion lightyears in a second.
Archie Sonic’s Prime Zone is infiniteSo....
Outside of DC,DB and Marvel
Which series can play the my universe is bigger than your Universe card
Not downgrade in the sense that they got weaker but because the standard change, which means the gap in strength no longer exist.
And some folks have legitimate arguments for 11D to Outerversal Archie/Composite Sonic yet most folks (myself included) don't take them seriously regardless of the "quality of arguments" and good luck getting them accepted here or any credible VS platform.Dimensional Domain + sealing won't work period kek.
I actually don’t Mav. At least not yet. Also wouldn’t the quality of my arguments matter rather than what tier I have him at?
Yes I did but Zero debunked it, but then it turns out there are also metafictional mangas but all continuity is messed up and then it turns out Zen can somewhat counter Zero’s debunk with new arguments and because it is very unclear who scales to what in which continuity… imma just be sticking with 5D for now until that mess gets dealt with.
So....
Outside of DC,DB and Marvel
Which series can play the my universe is bigger than your Universe card
Numbers sonArchie Sonic’s Prime Zone is infinite
93 billion light-yearsOur universe has a confirmed size?
You eh messed up the maths there… cosmic inflation is just lightspeed times age. And the Dc universe has 60 trillion lightyears/s times age…One Light-year in Meters = 9.4605284e15 meters
9.4605284e15*60e12 = 5.67631704e29 m
Age of the Universe in Seconds = 4.36117077e17 s
4.36117077e17*5.67631704e29 = 2.4755388e47 m
Observable Universe in Meters = 8.8e26 m
Theory of Cosmic Inflation Alan Guth = 1.5e23 times the Observable Universe.
1.5e23*8.8e26 = 1.32e50 m
Difference in size = 1.32e50 / 2.4755388e47 = 533.217254
They are actually very comparable.
So what you’re saying is that the quality of their arguments suck, which is why they don’t accept it. Because if they didn’t suck, you’d get them accepted on a credible VS platform. In other words, everything depends on the quality of the arguments rather than the common perception of certain verses, exactly as it should be.And some folks have legitimate arguments for 11D to Outerversal Archie/Composite Sonic yet most folks (myself included) don't take them seriously regardless of the "quality of arguments" and good luck getting them accepted here or any credible VS platform.
DBH is way too complicated to just revise as a casual. That say I will debate you on it or more accurately explain what the hell is going on in DBH in private if you want. I also don’t see why not pushing for revisions on a certain verse, but instead laying out scaling is just “barking”, I imagine barking would be saying stuff like “Supes is universal” without even knowing the arguments. (I love how this also implies that something is only legit if it’s been accepted by VSBW and isn’t if it’s not, which is hilarious to say the least.)And will you be pushing for revisions or is it just bark? Kek!
Hard agree on the last part (even tho argument form incredulity is still rampant) however I never said not taking an argument seriously means they suck, the quality of Vs standards changes all the time and is in constant flux. Just because folks don't take an argument seriously it doesn't mean it sucks, there's various other reasons as well.So what you’re saying is that the quality of their arguments suck, which is why they don’t accept it. Because if they didn’t suck, you’d get them accepted on a credible VS platform. In other words, everything depends on the quality of the arguments rather than the common perception of certain verses, exactly as it should be.
Yeah I guess that is a problem on VSBW indeed.however I never said not taking an argument seriously means they suck, the quality of Vs standards changes all the time and is in constant flux
Well shit so no matter what verse, DC heralds will always ended up AP stomping and speedblitz everyone.You eh messed up the maths there… cosmic inflation is just lightspeed times age. And the Dc universe has 60 trillion lightyears/s times age…
Dimensional tiering, bitch.Simon the Digger
If the DBH (5D or higher) arguments involve any cross-scaling to Xeno (Crack in time) or timelines within timelines/The "real" world then don't bother I've already received an extensive explanation on the cosmology twice on other sites. Plus my stance it pretty much immovable.DBH is way too complicated to just revise as a casual. That say I will debate you on it or more accurately explain what the hell is going on in DBH in private if you want. I also don’t see why not pushing for revisions on a certain verse, but instead laying out scaling is just “barking”, I imagine barking would be saying stuff like “Supes is universal” without even knowing the arguments. (I love how this also implies that something is only legit if it’s been accepted by VSBW and isn’t if it’s not, which is hilarious to say the least.)
A problem in the Vs community in general tbh, less we forgot how popular anti-scaling was awhile back.Yeah I guess that is a problem on VSBW indeed.
I mean Doom won his fightWell shit so no matter what verse, DC heralds will always ended up AP stomping and speedblitz everyone.
Yeah, neither Pegasus Seiya or Simon the Digger are going to win their fights.
Just wait, they are going to make Kyle Rayner Hyperverse level.Dimensional tiering, bitch.
That's some THICCC danmaku but either way I'm more curious how the DB research team will process then rate 2hu since the characters range betweem 9-B to 1-A depending on which Vs community you follow.Oh shit, using the size of Touhou Project’s “Heaven” there’s a chance Sakuya could statstomp Hit and surpass DC Heralds. Heaven is big enough for beings as large as Amitabha to live there, who is Googolplexes times larger than the size of the observable universe
Outside of that what are any sources to confirm heaven sizeOh shit, using the size of Touhou Project’s “Heaven” there’s a chance Sakuya could statstomp Hit and surpass DC Heralds. Heaven is big enough for beings as large as Amitabha to live there, who is Googolplexes times larger than the size of the observable universe
To be honest considering the size difference between Marvel and DC's universes, i'm surprise Lex actually lost when he had such massive AP and Speed advantages.I mean Doom won his fight
They will have Shazam scale to Hal Jordan, Superman and Flash's high end feats.I mean Doom won his fight
Seiya has Hax and Speed on his side
196,833 dimensional spaces = Hyperverse level.How is that 1-B?
To be honest considering the size difference between Marvel and DC's universes, i'm surprise Lex actually lost when he had such massive AP and Speed advantages.
They will have Shazam scale to Hal Jordan, Superman and Flash's high end feats.
No way Seiya or Saint Seiya in general its going to match that kind of craziness.
196,833 dimensional spaces = Hyperverse level.
Given How DB be with DC characters speed it shouldn't be much of an issueThey will have Shazam scale to Hal Jordan, Superman and Flash's high end feats.
No way Seiya or Saint Seiya in general its going to match that kind of craziness.