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Tbf, that was 6 years ago (not saying Araki writing EOH is right, but 6 years is more than enough time to change an opinion)
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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ZeNoviceArtist
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I'm pretty sure the only thing people focus on in Part 6 is the fact their favorite Jojo died.
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Yes.
People meme about 'Araki forgot' a lot, but fate being unchangeable is something that Araki is very consistent on and has strong opinions about.
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Idk, maybe
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Using the Death Battle itself, probably not since IIRC they had the infinite speed apply only to RTZ and not GER's own movement
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Wow, it doesn't ultimately change the outcome, but I have to wonder how they got such basic details wrong. Did they slack off a bit because the winner was obvious or something?
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Ok, I'm gonna defend the team a bit for the MIH thing since Pucci says so himself and we we use it on his page
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idk probably something like that. They didn't even bother giving AP and dura values for GE and GER so I guess they just got lazy
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Death Battle is just wildly inconsistent in their composite rule.
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The Image is broken
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Tbf it didnt matter as the debate was about GER vs Joker, stats were not a factor or point to talk over
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Not sure if this a fault on my end but that scan doesn't work for me, what does it say?
In any case, here's the scan of the universe reset page saying that the changing of destiny was already predestined
And here's the scan where Emporio says Pucci lost to fate
ZeNoviceArtist
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Looking at the 3d scene, I swear that looks like TF2 Spy pointing a gun at Joker.
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Cuz that jotaro changes the fate of the canon in jojo, plus brings jolyne with him in part 4 which he didnt
The GER thing was just to put a limit, cuz canon is left vague on what it cant or not do
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It's a mobile problem, works fine for PC, at least for me
It's from this scene
Here's a scan of Emporio also saying that he's using Pucci to defy destiny due to his stand disc following the same logic.
I can definitely see interpretations of the fight where Emporio is saying that less about "Causality is unchangeable" and more "Justice always wins"
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its like nearly 8 years of difference, with different researchers and writers, makes sense
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Even in those scans, it is constantly reiterated that fate cannot be changed no matter what, with Pucci seemingly being the only exception. That was what why Pucci achieved Heaven, for everybody to know and face their own fate. But Pucci seemingly 'altering' fate is rendered moot by the fact that, again, the uni reset page itself states that the changing of destiny was already predestined. Pucci altering his own fate there was already fated itself. This is kinda why Pucci's fate manipulation on his profile is listed as 'limited ', as everything that occurs in the new universe is repeated from the last in accordance with fate and that Pucci's alternation of that is already accounted for by fate in advance.
Also like everything in part 5 and sleeping slaves (remember when Mista seemingly 'changed' fate by taking Bruno's death for him and destroying Rolling Stones, only for Rolling Stones to come back and still foretell Bruno's death) and multiple Araki interviews all state that fate cannot changed
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They even implied in the show itself that statistics and the such are completely irrelevant in this MU. The Joker versus. GER matchup is straightforward: if the Joker resists, he wins; if not, he loses. I wouldn't say they got lazy at all.
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She outhaxes and outstats in base. At least by this site's logic (which I think is correct).
Outside of the site it gets goofy as hell, with Goku being a monkey man from the 9th dimension. They would still be hax diffed since all of them would be immeasurable speed due to Twilight's Rainbow Power form blitzing Tirek, and would just turn them to stone or put them to sleep, or transmutate them, etc
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Discord was actually 5D in the blackboxes, since they considered Limbo to be a 5th dimensional realm that would be destroyed by the Pony of Shadows. Iirc they said they scaled Bill to 6D in their discord server
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Plus, I'm pretty sure the difference is an explanation of a possible weakness to an ability he never interacts with in canon, as opposed to a High 8-C character becoming a Tier 2 reality warper.
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If we go off DB standards:
Twilight is infinitely more powerful while Vegeta is immeasurably faster and he’d likely hakai her when he realises his attacks don’t do shit.
Personally:
Twilight still one taps and both are infinite speed but Vegeta still speedblitzes and hakais because form multipliers lol.
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I'm pretty sure DB accepts that Hakai can be resisted via sheer power
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I'm pretty sure Dragon Ball itself accepts that given it happens multiple times
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That's true; though, Araki did supervise it.
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Saying that infinite/immeasurable speed can be multiplied
By DB standards they would say both are immeasurable at this point tbh
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Still kinda like Sandy vs AJ even though it’s not too interesting
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AVGN wins no diff
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AVGN annihalates wtf?
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But isn't it anime that constantly goes on about the power of friendship?
I know he has some movies and things, but I don't know any of the details. How does he stack up?
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