DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Dust_Collector]

Seeing people on Reddit (And other places) having heavy doubts on Kratos being above like city level or whatever has left me caught between my need to argue that Kratos has legit reasons to be universal and my desire to agree with them because I want Asura to win.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Genuinely both of their best matchups, it saddens me so much that Sauron vs Lich King happened cause that means this match up gets pushed back

This is basically my passion fight, even wrote a fight with them a few years ago

Hell, that match up is what got me into helping make Warhammer Fantasy profiles on VsWiki in the first place.

You sure are passionate. Do you think DB will ever get Warhammer in someday?

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Seeing people on Reddit (And other places) having heavy doubts on Kratos being above like city level or whatever has left me caught between my need to argue that Kratos has legit reasons to be universal and my desire to agree with them because I want Asura to win.

Why not just say that Kratos is Universal, but Asura still beats him because his AD would enable him to quickly catch up and overtake Kratos' power while resisting his heavy hitting abilities?

See? Best of both worlds.

 

[HenshinIntervention]

I feel like they might make Kratos Uni and than have Asura at Uni but either say AD > Weapons or Weapons > AD

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Going by BowserEggman, they just accept english translations even if they are very different.

Ngl but this is dumb, if the series is japanese and it says otherwise in its language, under what premise you count the english version?

They pointed to dmc in their vergil blog how some stuff are different in japanese compared to english so former is more accurate over latter, tf is double standard bs

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Ngl but this is dumb, if the series is japanese and it says otherwise in its language, under what premise you count the english version?

They pointed to dmc in their vergil blog how some stuff are different in japanese compared to english so former is more accurate over latter, tf is double standard bs

Arent the English translations also approved by the company?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Seeing people on Reddit (And other places) having heavy doubts on Kratos being above like city level or whatever has left me caught between my need to argue that Kratos has legit reasons to be universal and my desire to agree with them because I want Asura to win.

"Thats rough buddy"

 

[Gyra1524]

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Arent the English translations also approved by the company?

Approval doesnt mean its accurate at times, some companies when they get translations of their work oversees may not match to the original

Imagine a sentence said "i like you as a friend" but in translation from the language in question you get "i love you as a partner"

Changes the meaning aint it? Especially if a person wont bother to look deeper into it and takes it for granted

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I've had to deal with translation like that. Dub translated Dyspo's Super Speed Mode into Super Light Speed Mode, so dumbasses try to use that to downplay MFTL and even immeasurable scaling

 

[BlackDarkness679]

In a vs debating context you may have a character state they get x times more powerful, but translation to other language changes the value to y times

Or they say they have power A, but translation puts power B instead

 

[BlackDarkness679]

I've had to deal with translation like that. Dub translated Dyspo's Super Speed Mode into Super Light Speed Mode, so dumbasses try to use that to downplay MFTL and even immeasurable scaling

There was more of that issue also with the world of void too regarding the size of whatever

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Thoughts on Pikmin vs Patapon?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

 

[SomaKing13]

You sure are passionate. Do you think DB will ever get Warhammer in someday?

It's inevitable really, Warhammer only continues to grow in popularity even after all these years, and they've had Titus vs Master Chief on the cast, the only thing holding it back is lack of visual media but that's been changing over the last several years as more games, shows and cinematics have been coming out

 

[TartaChocholate]

Ngl but this is dumb, if the series is japanese and it says otherwise in its language, under what premise you count the english version?

They pointed to dmc in their vergil blog how some stuff are different in japanese compared to english so former is more accurate over latter, tf is double standard bs

Yeah, this has been a thing for a while now. It also kinda rubs me the wrong way since some people use the argument "it's approved" or "it's official" to essentially cherry pick between translations for whatever is more convenient to buff the character. I mean, obviously the original company is going to give the approval stamp to their selected localization team, they can't dismiss their own translators or selected teams. And the translation wouldn't be being championed if it actually weakened the character.

The exception I can think of is that, for example, a Japanese company made a game with the western audience in mind, so they actually wrote the script in english to begin with.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Thoughts on Pikmin vs Patapon?

Based but never ever.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

It's inevitable really, Warhammer only continues to grow in popularity even after all these years, and they've had Titus vs Master Chief on the cast, the only thing holding it back is lack of visual media but that's been changing over the last several years as more games, shows and cinematics have been coming out

Are you sure? Wouldn't Games Workshop takedown any video with Warhammer fan content?

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Yeah, this has been a thing for a while now. It also kinda rubs me the wrong way since some people use the argument "it's approved" or "it's official" to essentially cherry pick between translations for whatever is more convenient to buff the character. I mean, obviously the original company is going to give the approval stamp to their selected localization team, they can't dismiss their own translators or selected teams. And the translation wouldn't be being championed if it actually weakened the character.

The approved or official thing being also used in regards to a product in regards to canon, just cuz its not fan made, doesnt mean it fits in the canon, unless it has word or proof to be existing in it

The exception I can think of is that, for example, a Japanese company made a game with the western audience in mind, so they actually wrote the script in english to begin with.

Even then some words may not be translated literally though given japanese words have various meanings

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Are you sure? Wouldn't Games Workshop takedown any video with Warhammer fan content?

Are they that strict with copyright?

 

[TartaChocholate]

The approved or official thing being also used in regards to a product in regards to canon, just cuz its not fan made, doesnt mean it fits in the canon, unless it has word or proof to be existing in it

Sonic be like, lol.

Even then some words may not be translated literally though given japanese words have various meanings

Well, true. Though at the very least you can argue that the original developers were overseeing this script and could have actually approved the potential changes, unlike another cases where they are more hands off.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Well, true. Though at the very least you can argue that the original developers were overseeing this script and could have actually approved the potential changes, unlike another cases where they are more hands off.

Idk how here at least goes if they actually carefully put work on translation being as close to original, but if they say 2 different things, it may not be possible to count both simultaneously, tho that depends i guess

 

[TartaChocholate]

Idk how here at least goes if they actually carefully put work on translation being as close to original, but if they say 2 different things, it may not be possible to count both simultaneously, tho that depends i guess

Yeah, that's kinda the same issue I was thinking. In this scenario both versions shouldn't have big differences all in all given they were made simultaneously or at least both were intended as the main version. But if you actually come across a discrepancy, what do yo do? As you say, you can't just take them both at once, especially if they are saying something contradictory, which is not impossible.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Are they that strict with copyright?

Not exactly a few years ago they changed the policy to one not very friendly to find content it caused quite the controversy as it caused if the emperor had a text to speech device to shut down. However the company hasn't actually been shutting down fan projects on Mass but many did shut down after it just because of the threat

 

[Tipper17]

 

[SomaKing13]

Are you sure? Wouldn't Games Workshop takedown any video with Warhammer fan content?

This is a common misunderstanding about warhammer fan content, they don't just take down anything that involves their stuff, they've never taken down peoples stuff, generally if they think your stuff is good enough, they hire you on for their own content, this is what happened with Helsreach guy, and this is what happened with the Astartes guy, both of which now work for Gamesworkshop and make new animations under them. People reference Emperor's Text to Speech as an example, but they never told him to take it down, he cancelled his show on his own and moved onto a different project, his material, Helsreach and Astartes are all still fully available to the public on youtube still and many other people have since made warhammer fan content and are still left up as well.

Are they that strict with copyright?

People heavily assume they are, but they really aren't more so than any other company, i mean every single videogame ever made about warhammer has been a third party creation, and 70% of their lore has been fan written or started as headcanon, Warhammer exists as a sandbox in the first place for people to kitbash and create their own stuff, all the way since first edition. That's not even going into things like Warcraft and Warmachine and the vast VAST list of miniature websites that produce their own third party warhammer minis like Kromlech.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[Tipper17]

Warhammer easily a series that can happen in the show main issues however is that they don't a have a blatant mu they can just toss in and run it in for an episode

Titus has Chief but the latter fighting Doom Slayer

BIG E the big one but he has not a single ounce of footage whatsoever

 

[AnAverageUsername]

anon ost from co
From the animation preview it seems:



ngl i hope its like this destructor can fight as a normal size as shown in the event horizon and having Asura fighting Kratos as a planet sized being is dumb as hell and be way too stupid

Peak fiction alert?????

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Harry Potter needs a better episode ngl

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Harry Potter needs a better episode ngl

He fight Mash Burnedead to get his face blasted in by a true rights activist

 

[Tipper17]

Peak fiction alert?????

It would make the most sense to happen frankly IDK how DB gonna go about it

I don't want the climax to be Asura goes big and Kratos one shotting him with the blade of Olympus not only would it be lame considering this is Asura and Kratos we're talking its way too stupid looking especially when Destructor Asura can fight at normal size

Given we see Asura shattering reality it's definitely setting up Asura and Kratos going into another venue

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

Harry Potter needs a better episode ngl

There is Harry Potter vs Percy Jackson if that's good.

 

[Hunterzillas]

This is a common misunderstanding about warhammer fan content, they don't just take down anything that involves their stuff, they've never taken down peoples stuff, generally if they think your stuff is good enough, they hire you on for their own content, this is what happened with Helsreach guy, and this is what happened with the Astartes guy, both of which now work for Gamesworkshop and make new animations under them. People reference Emperor's Text to Speech as an example, but they never told him to take it down, he cancelled his show on his own and moved onto a different project, his material, Helsreach and Astartes are all still fully available to the public on youtube still and many other people have since made warhammer fan content and are still left up as well.


People heavily assume they are, but they really aren't more so than any other company, i mean every single videogame ever made about warhammer has been a third party creation, and 70% of their lore has been fan written or started as headcanon, Warhammer exists as a sandbox in the first place for people to kitbash and create their own stuff, all the way since first edition. That's not even going into things like Warcraft and Warmachine and the vast VAST list of miniature websites that produce their own third party warhammer minis like Kromlech.

So what you're saying is-

.....theres a chance?

 

[NotoriouSoda]

So what you're saying is-

.....theres a chance?

I want the big E to wash Gil in a fight

 

[Tipper17]

So what you're saying is-

.....theres a chance?

BIG E the big one but he has not a single ounce of footage whatsoever

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

This is a common misunderstanding about warhammer fan content, they don't just take down anything that involves their stuff, they've never taken down peoples stuff, generally if they think your stuff is good enough, they hire you on for their own content, this is what happened with Helsreach guy, and this is what happened with the Astartes guy, both of which now work for Gamesworkshop and make new animations under them. People reference Emperor's Text to Speech as an example, but they never told him to take it down, he cancelled his show on his own and moved onto a different project, his material, Helsreach and Astartes are all still fully available to the public on youtube still and many other people have since made warhammer fan content and are still left up as well.

So if DB's content on Warhammer is good enough, Games Workshop hires the DB team?

 

[SomaKing13]

So if DB's content on Warhammer is good enough, Games Workshop hires the DB team?

In theory yes

 

[HenshinIntervention]

Are they that strict with copyright?

Companies that took down DB's videos for a few seconds of their footage are annoying