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Rotting for Eggman, sadly betting for Bowser.
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Rooting Eggman. I am worried because I am not sold on Bowser winning 50%+ of the time.
ShrekAnakin
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As for roots/bets?
Somewhat rooting for Eggman more even if not super strongly, but Bowser's the safer bet.
Somewhat rooting for Eggman more even if not super strongly, but Bowser's the safer bet.
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So is Bowser actually kinda low brain or is his self claiming of having an IQ of 9800 got some weight? Cause at a glance it really does seem like Eggman has IQ over the Koopa King.
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In Brothership Bowser was fooled by Mario & Luigi covering their heads with fake heads so that is fun timing.
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It's about 50/50, in my opinion. Bowser is an objectively smart and tactical character, but he comes off as being low brained because he's the type to prefer straightforward and blunt tactics.
It's not that it means he's dumb, he's just a villain who is more likely to attack his enemies head on then plan several steps ahead of his enemies.
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in essence Bowser's intellect likely won't play a big factor due to CIS, we know Bowser can be smart but he chooses not too out of preference of punching first, asking questions later mentality so he's a main shonen protagonist
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koopa3144
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Rooting Bowser cause I don't wanna see him die but I'm betting Eggman.
Dust_Collector
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Just gonna give my views on Bowsers intelligence:
Bowser's able to beat powerful combat mechs, build factories that produce endless dark matter that eat at the very fabric of space, create life via experimentation, create a machine that makes perfect duplicates of himself and others, built reactors with that can form galaxies. But sometimes he can lack foresight and is so caught up in himself that he can overlook small details, like being so confident that Mario and Luigi wouldn't step foot on his island in the new M&L game that when he saw them with basically paper bags over their heads he just assumed it was his minions disguising themselves as the bros to trick their allies.
I'd say, given the dark matter and galaxy reactor stuff specifically, he does have an IQ of 9,800 (But that doesn't make him smarter than Eggman who by feats should have a way higher IQ of his stated 300) but like mentioned above he much prefers to be straight forward and let's his own arrogance/overconfidence get the best of him.
Bowser's able to beat powerful combat mechs, build factories that produce endless dark matter that eat at the very fabric of space, create life via experimentation, create a machine that makes perfect duplicates of himself and others, built reactors with that can form galaxies. But sometimes he can lack foresight and is so caught up in himself that he can overlook small details, like being so confident that Mario and Luigi wouldn't step foot on his island in the new M&L game that when he saw them with basically paper bags over their heads he just assumed it was his minions disguising themselves as the bros to trick their allies.
I'd say, given the dark matter and galaxy reactor stuff specifically, he does have an IQ of 9,800 (But that doesn't make him smarter than Eggman who by feats should have a way higher IQ of his stated 300) but like mentioned above he much prefers to be straight forward and let's his own arrogance/overconfidence get the best of him.
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9800 IQ statement is obviously false but he's not exactly dumb (
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I'll just wait till the g1 prediction blog drops before I place my bets.
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This right here, thank you for wording this because I was struggling to myself.
It's pretty consistent in the Mario series for Bowser's arrogance and, arguably, comedic lack of foresight sours a lot of Bowser's IQ and battle tactic feats IMO and makes people assume that he's some dumbass. But I don't think those moments should constitute Bowser as being dumb, a lot of game villains have those moments where they act stupidly despite being very smart.
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The reality is that Bowser is pretty balanced. But people either make him Sosuke Aizen or ******* Patrick Star.
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Isn't Eggman known for playing other characters whom have dangerous levels of arrogance like with dr. starling? stating that he could carpet bomb Sonic anytime he wanted but he wants to definitively proof he's superior to him. Not saying Eggman isn't arrogance either but canon story when not facing against Sonic he's proven to be quiet wise and reflective of his mistakes, an could definitely tell Bowser would be someone similar in mannerisms and attitude to Zavok.
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Cast actually acknowledging infinite to immeasurable Sonic makes me feel more confident Eggman will be treated right even if he loses.
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Not a bad choice if you ask me, if only to see how utterly insane Doomguy turns out to be in a re-examination.
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Eggman's arrogance is canonically exclusive against Sonic, yes.
Do they accept it?
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I think at least some do (probably Liam since he was hard defending Metal against Cell)
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This matchup is giving me a lot Trunks vs Silver and Bill vs Discord vibes at the time communities for these matches leading up to the premiere had Trunks and Discord winning respectively then DB went the opposite direction, but the community also acknowledged these weren't easy episodes to find a definitive winner for so it's 50/50.
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That explains Liam's "half of infinite is still infinite" comment about Labyrinth Sonic.
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Eggman also doesn't have as many bumbling moments as Bowser in general, does he?
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I feel like death battle brought up that IQ feat only to disprove it later on
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Yeah, something like the Earth in TES can contain non-cardinal points as parts of it structure and be made of clockworks
I honestly kinda of like this type of cosmological approach, it gives us a new view over what we are used to regarding our reality and how it should be treated,
Funnily enough, Plato would hate if he ever discovered his philosophy would be used in any type of fictional work
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Bowser actually dealt with something like this in Mario & Luigi Dream Team. The "main" antagonist Antasma thought Bowser was a simple brute and tried to take advantage of that and use him to get the Dream Stone before taking it for himself, but Bowser realised this pretty much as soon as their alliance formed and just played along as the big dumb bruiser until he had the chance to betray him and take the dream stone for himself.
Obviously that's not the same as dealing with manipulation mid fight but still worth brining up.
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To be fair, does anybody know what this or that amount of IQ means when writting such claims?
Personally, I am rooting for Bowser but betting on Eggman. Dunno, have looked at the arguments and all (and some pretty funny memes), and things seems pretty split, but I just have this hunch.
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Dust_Collector
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Damn that preview looked good. Very good voice actors as well, not sure how I feel about the music (Assuming it's the same they're using for the actual episode). It's good but dunno if it fits.
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There's some like the Egg Dealer in Shadow but he's been pretty competent recently (Good thing Ian loves Eggman).
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Goku vs Superman 3 had a different song in its trailer than in the fight.
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The Sneak Peek didn’t show anything we didn’t already know. They are really keeping the content close to their chests. I remain cautiously optimistic that it will be peak fiction.
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I never got the vibe Antasma wanted to betray Bowser, maybe that’s just me.
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Hmm sorry, Bowser has bit too many bumbling moments. Antasma moment is like the only good smart moment.
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Just saw the preview.
It looks really good so far, and the animation is really damn good, but I want to see more of the fight in action before I can determine if it'll be peak or not.
Still: hats off to the animators. They deserve nothing less than my respect.
It looks really good so far, and the animation is really damn good, but I want to see more of the fight in action before I can determine if it'll be peak or not.
Still: hats off to the animators. They deserve nothing less than my respect.
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