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They gave a ridiculous feat to omniman well downplaying bardock.
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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I remember reading and watching up to the fight with Byakuya, where Ichigo first uses Tensa Zangetsu. It was pretty dope.
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Basically: The Sun-disk was the worst possible reasoning for Omni-Man winning and is now considered one of the worst reasonings DB ever used
Not only the calcaultion neeeded to be wanked to reach Stellar levels of power, but the way Omni-Man destroyed it + the feat itself relies on a lot of assumptions
Beyond that, they downplayed King Vegeta's feat of destroying 3 planets with a wave of his hand
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That was pretty great. You should continue it (but reading the manga would probably be best up until you reach the Thousand-Year Blood War arc since the old anime had the old, long-running Shounen anime problem of having god awful pacing).
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Besides the wonkyness of the calc.... (IIRC, we have a calc blog of our own that tried it multiple ways because of DB & couldn't get the same result they did.)
Well, the other factor is it doesn't make sense plot wise.
The Sun Disk was there to block the sun from some race that gets stronger in sun light. Not the Ragnarrs or something, but still.
The Coalition of Planets or whatever it's called, for reasons I don't recall (Alien alliance, maybe?), wanted the sun disk gone. & it was stated elsewhere that they don't have any weapons that can hurt Viltrumites.
But a regular ship destroyed the Sun Disk with a laser blast. (I forget if they had help or not.)
(Nolan isn't even the strongest Viltrumite, FWIW, but he's at least Above Average, IIRC.)
DB used that to justify scaling Nolan above the feat's yield they got, since if they have no weapons strong enough to hurt Viltrumites, that would include the one that destroyed the Sun Disk, ergo, Omni-Man is stronger than the Sun Disk bust. (I forget their logic to say how it applies to Attack Potency/Striking Strength. Probably "He can hurt someone who can hurt him".)
The ship that did this was a regular, unexceptional ship, & this is a big plot hole because the main enemy in the story, IIRC, IS the Viltrumites, yet here they have a regular ship doing a feat stronger than ANYTHING ELSE Omni-Man had done.
& yes, that includes the like, Tier 6 Planet Bust or something he did with like, 2 other Viltrumites, by a targeted attack on a weak point in the core, & yet was still immensely difficult & nearly fatal for him.
The Sun Disk by comparison was like, high into Tier 5 or Tier 4; Mathematically, the yield they got is almost certainly an outlier just by the crazy difference.
Storywise, it's nonsense because why were they seeking other anti-Viltrumite options if they had ships that could hit harder than any Viltrumite feat? (& again, it contradicts their statements about lack of weapons to harm Viltrumites.)
& calc-wise, it doesn't line up with how other people have calc'd the feat.
Not to mention, Bardock arguably may have had a shot anyway! Why? Due to, IIRC, King Vegeta doing a very casual Triple Planet Bust.
King Vegeta is the king of the Saiyan race and the head of the royal family. In Dragon Ball Z, while he was facing Frieza on Namek, Vegeta remarked that, as a child he was already more powerful than his father, implying King Vegeta's power level is under 18,000.
Heck it may be lower than that. That PL of 18,000 comparison is from SAIYAN SAGA Vegeta, but as said, Vegeta was already stronger than his dad as a KID.
Do you think Kid Vegeta was close to the PL he had as an adult in the Saiyan Saga?!
Super Saiyan gives a 50x boost, & Bardock has a base power level of 10,000.
500,000 / 18,000 = 27.77
So if 18,000 (Or a lot less because that's Saiyan Saga Vegeta's PL & again, that's the PL used for comparison with King Vegeta.) is enough to destroy 3 Planets at once, very casually, & Super Saiyan Bardock is nearly 28 times stronger than that....
Well, IDK if the math actually works out to beat DB's Sun Disk feat yield, but I think you get the idea, right?
Sorry for all the words.
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Bowser Jr: Can use the paint he used in Super Mario Sunshine to inflict effects such as Matter and Disease manipulation
Kamek: Can use his transmuation to make Eggman's army useless and has magic powerful enough to create storms and nulify the enemies powers
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The sun-disk thing?
The sun-disk thing.
Yeah, when it came up I was wondering about. I never saw it before when Omniman was discussed or the matchup was brought up, so I thought that it either was a controversial take regarding the feat or the feat was recent.
I'd complain but... uh... I cheered when Ryu and Hiei won their fights despite those also being pretty much wrong. So I guess it's even.
King Vegeta's feat was downplayed in the calc?
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Yeah, afaik, the only way to you get the result as low as DB did was if you considered the planets he blew up small
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From a vs perspective it means what?
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Does God Of War have other MUs that aren't Kratos?
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Deus vs Zeus is one
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HOPE IT WILL CALM DOWN, UNLIKE ME BC I DONT HAVE BROTHERSHIP
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Who's Deus?
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Lord Deus of the 7 deities, king of gods, god of prime, caster of lightning and ultimately being the one behind Asura being betrayed.
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What's the BGM in that first 3 second video?
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Getting political, are we?
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On an unrelated topic, I wonder who would be good matchups for the Wayfinder Trio?
Especially as a group.
(Even though that by our standards, they may not fight as a trio enough to have their match results posted to their profile if they have matchups as a team.)
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Terra, the strong one with an affinity for darkness, & Earth, per his namesake.
Ventus, the youngest, & swift, spirited one, with an affinity for Wind, per his namesake.
Aqua, the disciplined one, loyal to light & her masters, but moreso her friends, perhaps to a fault & has suffered for it. Water affinity, per her namesake.
They are separated by tragic circumstances, even as they each desperately need the others, & their friendships faulter when they later reunite, but eventually they do find their way back to each other.
Maybe some kind of Jedi, but I feel like between Mickey vs Yoda & Xehanort vs Palpatine, KH vs Star Wars has been done too much.
Capabilities-wise, they're extremely skilled handheld weapon users with magic, have summonable armor, & gliders for space travel, & visit many other worlds.
There's other details to them individually, like their fates at the end of BBS, which might help clarify their thematics... but it's spoilers for KH:BBS.
Read at your own risk.
So yeah. Matchups, all?
Especially as a group.
(Even though that by our standards, they may not fight as a trio enough to have their match results posted to their profile if they have matchups as a team.)
Terra (Kingdom Hearts)
Terra is a Keyblade Wielder training under Eraqus in the Land of Departure. He aspires to be a Keyblade Master, but Eraqus refuses to give Terra the title of Master after noticing the Darkness in Terra's heart during his Mark of Mastery Exam. But after learning that the Seven Princesses of Heart...
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Ventus (Kingdom Hearts)
Ventus is a rookie Keyblade wielder who trains alongside Terra and Aqua at the Land of Departure. He runs away from home to chase after Terra after receiving a warning of things to come. Despite not being as along in his training as they are, he's still a capable warrior and is eager to explore...
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Aqua (Kingdom Hearts)
Aqua is a Keyblade Wielder who trained under Master Eraqus alongside her friends Ventus and Terra. The only one among the trio to be named a Keyblade Master, she is entrusted by Eraqus to monitor both of her friends after they leave the Land of Departure, but finds herself torn between her...
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Terra, the strong one with an affinity for darkness, & Earth, per his namesake.
Ventus, the youngest, & swift, spirited one, with an affinity for Wind, per his namesake.
Aqua, the disciplined one, loyal to light & her masters, but moreso her friends, perhaps to a fault & has suffered for it. Water affinity, per her namesake.
They are separated by tragic circumstances, even as they each desperately need the others, & their friendships faulter when they later reunite, but eventually they do find their way back to each other.
Maybe some kind of Jedi, but I feel like between Mickey vs Yoda & Xehanort vs Palpatine, KH vs Star Wars has been done too much.
Capabilities-wise, they're extremely skilled handheld weapon users with magic, have summonable armor, & gliders for space travel, & visit many other worlds.
There's other details to them individually, like their fates at the end of BBS, which might help clarify their thematics... but it's spoilers for KH:BBS.
Read at your own risk.
Terra is manipulated by Xehanort into overusing darkness, leading to him fighting his master, Eraquus to protect Ventus, only for Xehanort to backstab his weary colleague. Xehanort's evils spur on the anger & hatred that fester Terra's Darkness, making his Heart Dark enough Xehanort can free his own Heart with his own Keyblade to steal Terra's body. Terra's Keyblade Armor then animates -Seemingly via his mind- & helps fight off the resulting Xehanort-possessed Terra, or "Terranort". However, this only wears out Teranort.
Ventus is forcefully separated into pure light (Himself) & pure darkness (by Vanitas) as part of a scheme to form the ultimate Keyblade, the X-Blade by having them clash once Ventus is a "strong enough light" against Vanitas. Because of this, Ventus's Master Eraquus, in his zealousy for Light, decides Ventus must be destroyed. Ultimately, Ventus survives, & with his friends, thwarts this plan of Xehanort's, but is left comatose, & his Heart (Akin to a soul.) goes dormant into Sora's for many years, which influences Sora. To protect him, Aqua seals him in a transformed land with an enchantment to keep out any intruders.
Aqua, having pursued her friends & fought off Xehanort's cohort, Xigbar, having secured the comatose Ventus with an enchantment only she can break, & having ensured her remaining Master, Yen Sid, that she will save Terra & Ventus, seeks out & fights Terranort & wins, who, as he collapses, opens a portal to the Realm of Darkness. Terranort & Aqua enter, & Aqua is able to send Terranort back out of it. However, while Terranort feigns amnesia with Xehanort in control of Terra's body, Aqua spends the next 13 years trapped almost entirely alone, wandering & fighting in The Realm of Darkness.
Ventus is forcefully separated into pure light (Himself) & pure darkness (by Vanitas) as part of a scheme to form the ultimate Keyblade, the X-Blade by having them clash once Ventus is a "strong enough light" against Vanitas. Because of this, Ventus's Master Eraquus, in his zealousy for Light, decides Ventus must be destroyed. Ultimately, Ventus survives, & with his friends, thwarts this plan of Xehanort's, but is left comatose, & his Heart (Akin to a soul.) goes dormant into Sora's for many years, which influences Sora. To protect him, Aqua seals him in a transformed land with an enchantment to keep out any intruders.
Aqua, having pursued her friends & fought off Xehanort's cohort, Xigbar, having secured the comatose Ventus with an enchantment only she can break, & having ensured her remaining Master, Yen Sid, that she will save Terra & Ventus, seeks out & fights Terranort & wins, who, as he collapses, opens a portal to the Realm of Darkness. Terranort & Aqua enter, & Aqua is able to send Terranort back out of it. However, while Terranort feigns amnesia with Xehanort in control of Terra's body, Aqua spends the next 13 years trapped almost entirely alone, wandering & fighting in The Realm of Darkness.
So yeah. Matchups, all?
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Zeus VS Radagon (Elden Ring)
Odin VS Vivec (The Elder Scrolls)
Ares VS Quan Chi (Mortale Kombat)
Atreus VS Mirana (DOTA: Dragon's Blood)
Baldur VS Darth Sion (Star Wars)
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Copy the wrong link
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Are any of these good?
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Zeus vs Radagon, naaaaaah. Gwyn fits the bill more.
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I dig Balder vs Darth sion
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It means that Valley of Screams are canonically locations in Bleach. If it's true that there's an infinite number of Valley of Screams (4D realms), then that would mean the Bleach cosmology has a shot at 2A, and the Garganta (basically the space holding their whole cosmology) may have 5D arguments.
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I mean the movie been canon for awhile so it's really nothing new especially when it got reference in the manga and Novel
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You'd be surprised how stubborn Bleach fans can be about Novel/MoN canonicity.
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I was fighting for my life in a thread debating the canon status of MoN back in the day lol.
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Didn't the site used to use it as justification for like star level stuff?
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Hmmmm... another case of going for the absolute highest possible end with a superhero (well Omniman is a bad guy, but you get my point). Werid how some seasons ago we would joke that Death Battle played it too safe when evaluating characters and now they've gone to the other extreme.
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Dont ask me, idk
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I remember back in S5 when it was new that many thought DB was doing good research.
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Dread it, run from it, brainrot arrives just the same
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Remember when things like FTL and solar system level were rare and impressive?
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Blue ice, being trained as a ninja was a hyped up thing, good ol days.
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Tbf how many characters have them unlike universal and mftl whom is sold to anybody almost
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