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Joker and Giorno when they realize they both have the overall goal of societal reform
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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It would be so funny if this is how Giorno wins I can't lie. Using THE most obscure feats imaginable, peak cinema.
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There's something I've always been a little curious about with Persona lore. With the way cognition/the collective unconscious works (or at least how I understand it to work), could fictional characters manifest as shadows in the metaverse (or the TV World, or whatever version of it you prefer)? Or to take it a step further, could a fictional character be someone's Persona?
Sorry if that's a stupid question, Persona lore experts.
Sorry if that's a stupid question, Persona lore experts.
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So in theory yes, it's possible. For example, Joker's persona is Arsene, based on Arsene Lupine from the novels. If you want to be obtuse about it having gods and goddesses already is an example of this already happening for a 'fictional' character. So it's honestly not out of the realm of possibility for something like that to happen down the line.
inb4 Goku is Persona 7 Protag's Persona. Not Sun Wukong. Straight up actual Goku.
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Within Diavolo's Time Erasure, all processes and events that would have occurred are erased and obliterated, with only the results remaining afterwards. i.e. causality itself is completely screwed during time erasure. Death Battle could then use this to say that resistance to causality manip isn't enough to resist RTZ as it still worked within time erasure despite causality being literally eradicated there.
They could then say the resistance and manipulation of fate isn't enough either to stop Giorno. RTZ could negate Epitaph's 100% fated vision and JoJoveller states that even if Epitaph predicts Giorno and GER's death, it won't ever come to pass. The sleeping slaves arc also talks about how 'fate is a sleeping slave' and that Giorno set it free. In interviews, Araki also states that challenging and overcoming fate was his biggest theme throughout part 5. Also, in part 6, Giorno was literally fated to be drawn to Pucci, since he's a son of Dio. And yet, he just... wasn't.
For what it's worth as well, Weiß Schwarz (Japanese card game) did a collaboration with the golden wind anime and for Giorno's final cards, he's referred to as being 'chosen by fate' in both of them. Use that how you wish
Use the same logic as the blog post to put RTZ at infinite speed and GER only needing to hit you to activate the death loop.
Finally, if Death Battle use a similar sort of scaling to the blog post (i.e. put Joker at 7D) then the High 1-C GER scale might actually be required. They just have to explain the TSRK novels as best they can, if they even know it exists, and try to argue how GER/RTZ would scale to the 10D cosmology introduced there (which can genuinely be possible and sound convincing
That's as best a reasoning i think you're going to get for Giorno winning without DB downplaying Joker that much.
Put RTZ at infinite, Death loop only needs contact, RTZ bypasses fate and resistance to causality and fate. Argue at an high-end how RTZ could scale to High 1-C in a convincing manner if Joker is put at 6/7D or around that level. A bit of swank is required, but they can deffo make it sound reasonable enough.
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I totally forgot what Arsene was based on, you're right.
Goku is a really funny example, though. Would Persona-ku scale higher / be stronger than actual Goku?
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Honestly I... I think it might be? Using the baseline dimensional scaling that a Persona would have would put it at like 7-D, then it would depend on what kind of foes Goku-sona fought. I don't really know Dragonball scaling all that much when it comes to how many dimensions they deal with even after all these episodes, so I don't know how that'd measure up.I totally forgot what Arsene was based on, you're right.
Goku is a really funny example, though. Would Persona-ku scale higher / be stronger than actual Goku?
Though I also think I might be lowballing OG Goku here, I'm not entirely certain.
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Funny enough, we do technically have actual examples of this thanks to SMT having crossovers. (As for other in-universe fictional characters, Jack Frost is literally a Mascot character in Joker's world lol).I totally forgot what Arsene was based on, you're right.
Goku is a really funny example, though. Would Persona-ku scale higher / be stronger than actual Goku?
But uh yeah for anyone looking for BS composite characters look no further than Outerversal Guts, Outerversal Ainz, and Outerversal Ghost in the Shell for a few examples
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You didn't even mention the biggest name:
Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic is a guest character from the Sonic the Hedgehog series and mascot of Sega, Atlus' current parent company. Sonic is the titular main character of the Sonic the Hedgehog series. Sonic is a anthropomorphic blue hedgehog whose chief ability is super-speed, often stated to be faster than the...
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Say, how does our favorite piece of giant, floating, screaming, laser-shooting geometry work as Outerversal? Wasn't it stated to have a specific dimensionality in its own canon?
The 6th Angel
The 6th Angel is a guest character from the Evangelion series. Shin Megami Tensei: Liberation Dx2: Guest character In Shin Megami Tensei: Liberation Dx2, The 6th Angel appears as a playable guest character alongside Unit 01: Dx2 Type and The 10th Angel who are also from the Evangelion series...
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....Ah.
The 6th Angel/Lore - SMT: Dx2 Wiki
"An entity strikingly similar to the Angel that attacked New Tokyo-III. It is a fake created by Jabo Kakuryu in order to rattle Shinji Ikari's heart.
Though normally appearing as a kind of crystalline octahedron, it will change shape and attack based on the situation. The original 6th Angel fought with the Evas and was destroyed by a positron cannon."
Oh well.
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Imagine unlocking your Persona and it's Guts.
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Considering how personas reflect a person's mentality and often fate..... pretty sure that's the most blunt way of the universe saying "That's rough buddy" possible.
Though I can think of another fate that would be the universe kicking you in the shins
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I don't know anything about Fire Emblem, what happened there?
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Basically, Fire Emblem has a problem of feats not meshing well with story.
Three Houses (the game Dimitri is from) has dragons tanking magic nukes and characters fighting and beating said dragons.
Same characters can be killed/severely wounded by getting shanked by a dagger by some randoms.
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Does those characters actually do shit to warrant the Scaling or just typical shenanigans
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I remember folks on Twitter were shocked over it expecting Dimitri to lose
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Typical shenanigans, existing in SMT and being able to harm top tiers. Nothing special that I know of otherwise
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I’m just saying, it’s entirely possible for someone to get a Persona and it turns out to be Jeffery Epstein or Pol Pot
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As general crossover idea it speaks for itself lol
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I think it works well as an actual DB too just off that simple connection alone, plus the Ghostbusters fighting an actual Ghost on DB goes super hard
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Just saying, Theodore Roosevelt as a persona 100% gets enduring soul and nullifies bullets.
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Yeah its one of those cases where if you don't have power scaling Brain rot he doesn't impress you
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Does the most recent movie do anything for them? I'll be honest, I never saw it because I heard it was, uh, bad. I cant even remember the title and refuse to Google it.
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I get that tho i feel trying to give each members of the GB a chance to shine be a bit hard in a 3-4min deal
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Dude if LAD and Persona were in the same verse, Kiryu would 100% be a Persona (I know his Dragon technically already is but still), and it would be the coolest **** ever.
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"Reveal the truth written in your heart, written in the stars" 
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BJ had a sequel, I'd assume for GB you'd just use the OGs and not the new continuities
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I don’t know who paid you to lie, but I hope you understand that Motoko has no viable feats besides beating up demons so weak they don’t even have profiles, Guts best feat is beating up Tiamat, and Ainz is the only legitimate outer crossover that you listed.
Believe it or not: stepping into Shin Megami Tensei does not automatically make you boundless+++++++++++.
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Reminds me of people frothing at the mouth over outerversal madoka magica even though the characters were being made fodder by literal fodder demons.
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In contrast the Overlord glazing was seriously awful. Event was just annoyingly written.
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There's also Alice, which is a mix of European folklore and elements from Alice in Wonderland. And not exactly a Persona, but you can recruit Dante from the Devil May Cry Series in SMTIII.
Hell, they don't even necessarily have to be fictional; Ryuji's Persona is Captain Kidd, based on a real Privateer. And Cleopatra is a recruitable demon in the more recent SMT games.
I imagine they mostly focus on Folklore / Mythology since it's public domain.
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How does Persona and SMT connect wirh each other?
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Tamaki Uchida
Tamaki Uchida is the name given to the female protagonist of Shin Megami Tensei: if.... Shin Megami Tensei: if...: Protagonist Shin Megami Tensei: if... (Manga): Male protagonist, as Nobu Akiyama Shin Megami Tensei: Kahn: Male protagonist, as Nobu Akiyama Shin Megami Tensei: Kahn - Vanity...
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Iirc, the version of Dante that appeared in SMT III was also the most powerful version of him on here for a long time. He might still be, I haven't checked in awhile.
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He is.
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Holy ****, 1-A Dante lmao, I guess I forgot he was that strong.
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I'm going to Alice.
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Ever think about how 90% of the Death Battle combatants can get absolutely decimated by basic memetic viruses/infohazards from SCP? Hazardous information that can induce anomalous effects by just knowing it/being aware of it.
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It’s so Venover
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