DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

[Detective_Blizzard]

What does it matter who wins or loses?

It's just a show on the internet, why do we put so much stake on who they deem the winner?

Folks here, why does it matter to YOU?

Because I wanna be RIGHT

But for real, been arguing about GER specifically for years so Giorno losing would be highly cathartic for me. Beyond that it's just a normal love of both franchises as I have a long history with both of them and a high admiration for their styles.

But screw that, I'm the Lupin III guy now, I'm legally obligated to be biased here!

 

[ShawnFaux]

What does it matter who wins or loses?

It's just a show on the internet, why do we put so much stake on who they deem the winner?

Folks here, why does it matter to YOU?

For me: It doesn't.

I like both characters, so I win regardless

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

It's not Heroes, but I knew the extended universe probably had something.

Xenoverse and Heroes are the same thing, just different variations. CC Goku applies to all that too

 

[ShawnFaux]

Xenoverse and Heroes are the same thing, just different variations. CC Goku applies to all that too

Not big into Heroes stuff, so I wasn't aware, apologies.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Not big into Heroes stuff, so I wasn't aware, apologies.

Most people aren't lol, Xenoverse is the more popular of the two and more commonly referred to franchise so I just default to using that name instead of Heroes.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Most people aren't lol, Xenoverse is the more popular of the two and more commonly referred to franchise so I just default to using that name instead of Heroes.

It's why more people talk about Xeno Goku than CC Goku, right? Unless Xeno is also Heroes and doesn't refer to Xenoverse?

 

[PonePoster]

What does it matter who wins or loses?

It's just a show on the internet, why do we put so much stake on who they deem the winner?

Folks here, why does it matter to YOU?

Vs debating isn't about FUN. It's about MATHEMATICALLY PROVING that you are RIGHT and SMART and that everyone else is STUPID and WRONG.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Speaking of

HOLY COW, THEY CONFIRMED IT'S ALMOST JOJOVER, GIORNO CONFIRMED DEAD/s

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

It's why more people talk about Xeno Goku than CC Goku, right? Unless Xeno is also Heroes and doesn't refer to Xenoverse?

Ok, so it's very weird.

So when most people say Xenoverse Goku, they refer to the Xenoverse games. Xenoverse 1, 2, and The Breakers are all under this umbrella.

What WE on the wiki refer to as Xenoverse Goku is this one from Dragon Ball Heroes who specifically uses SS4, however the casual viewing of Xenoverse Goku is closer to our CC Goku as in Xenoverse 2 our main Goku that's fighting canonically uses the God transformations and Ultra Instinct, following the DBS timeline.

If you want a 'which one is technically better to refer to', that depends entirely on perspective. I choose Xenoverse since it's not only far better known but while Heroes predates it by 5 years, the western audience were not aware of it until the Heroes anime came out in 2018. So if you want to have the most people know what you mean, Xenoverse, if you want the most correct definition, probably Heroes

 

[ShawnFaux]

Most people aren't lol, Xenoverse is the more popular of the two and more commonly referred to franchise so I just default to using that name instead of Heroes.

Wait, so was I still correct about cannon Goku losing to GER, then? I assume the properties of Xenoverse God Ki don't apply to the main series.

 

[0ホルスファルコン将軍0]

The biggest loser of this matchup will be Kiradachi’s chances of happening.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Wait, so was I still correct about cannon Goku losing to GER, then? I assume the properties of Xenoverse God Ki don't apply to main series.

Yeah, doesn't apply to normal DB stuff.

 

[ShawnFaux]

The biggest loser of this matchup will be Kiradachi’s chances of happening.

Tbf, that's just this MU but worse, IMO. A JoJo character that's massively out gunned and has a singular win con (be honest, GER is the only one people are talking about), vs a Persona character who God stomps otherwise.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

 

[Imaginym]

Vs debating isn't about FUN. It's about MATHEMATICALLY PROVING that you are RIGHT and SMART and that everyone else is STUPID and WRONG.

This post is reassuring & amusing, because I'm assuming you're joking.
No offense meant, & sorry for any offense given.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

"GOD DAMNIT EGGMAN, YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO START WINNING UNTIL NEXT EPISODE!"

 

[Gyra1524]

The biggest loser of this matchup will be Kiradachi’s chances of happening.

My favorite match-up gone up in flames never to be seen again.

 

[ZeNoviceArtist]

The biggest loser of this matchup will be Kiradachi’s chances of happening.

I'd give it a year.

 

[Tipper17]

 

[koopa3144]

"MY GOAT WINS AGAIN METAL SONIC SWEP LETS GO-"

 

[Lawyerr]

Gonna be hilarious if the Swank reigns supreme and Giorno wins.

 

[ShawnFaux]

Yeah, doesn't apply to normal DB stuff.

Credit where it's due to Xenoverse / Heroes, God Ki having strange properties like that is kinda interesting.

 

[Tipper17]

The biggest loser of this matchup will be Kiradachi’s chances of happening.

It'll probably happen at some point they like the mu

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

"MY GOAT WINS AGAIN METAL SONIC SWEP LETS GO-"

Wiz and Boomstick after seeing that Metal Sonic hacked their research and is now winning every single matchup:

 

[Tipper17]

For salt it overall depends how well DB goes about and given the nature of GER I doubt there going in half assing shit

If joker loses, outside vs community salt things would proceed as usual given GER REP and vague nature

Plus persona doesn't have a massive reputation in terms of vs power among normies

If Giorno loses I def expect salt on the casuals if the crew mainly fumbled the explanation but can see things be fine assuming they actually deliver on it


Overall it boils down to how DB goes about it

 

[ShawnFaux]

If Giorno loses I def expect salt on the casuals if the crew mainly fumbled the explanation

Death Battle fumbling an explanation? Nah, they would never.

 

[SpecterSkater]

Death Battle fumbling an explanation? Nah, they would never.

I feel like it wouldn't be too hard to explain "Joker has resisted similar abilities at a much higher level, therefore he can resist GER" seeing as how they've had similar examples from other fights in the past.

 

[ShawnFaux]

Almost 200 pages with only one episode out so far is pretty funny.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Almost 200 pages with only one episode out so far is pretty funny.

 

[Tipper17]

Death Battle fumbling an explanation? Nah, they would never.

I feel like it wouldn't be too hard to explain "Joker has resisted similar abilities at a much higher level, therefore he can resist GER" seeing as how they've had similar examples from other fights in the past.

Arguing joker resisting GER isn't impossible death battle has to just pick a very strong example from Joker side to be a good enough case of him being able to resist GER fuckery

Giorno is very wanked and Persona being super strong isn't accepted by casuals and needs a lot of metaphysical babble that it's hard to explain and understand. There will be salt.

Going on this agreed I don't think persona Cosmology super easy to explain without going metaphysical babble on it

 

[ShawnFaux]

Hate and copium are the biggest generators of content!

Giorno Fans: Aoi_Todo.jpg

 

[Tipper17]

Honestly this MU is honestly unique because one character has everything he needs to stomp the former into the ground meanwhile the other while inferior in the stats game has one ability that can be the former kryptonite despite said former having decent arguments to resist said power

It's pure fuckery incarnate

 

[DRW001]

Swan must use the Mythical High 1-C GER scale...
It is the only way now...

 

[Tipper17]

Swan must use the Mythical High 1-C GER scale...
It is the only way now...

if Giorno does win what would be a good reasoning in your opinion

 

[Peter_"Quicksilver"_Maximoff]

if Giorno does win what would be a good reasoning in your opinion

They're honestly is none, like at all.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

The only reasoning that I will find acceptable is if they just showed Liam's picture during the episode and cited it as the primary reason why Giorno won.

Because, that would be the reason

 

[Tipper17]

 

[JoshDoshMosh]

 

[ShawnFaux]

Lets not undersell Giorno, here. He does have a lot of abilities (or at least a lot of creative applications for his primary ability). I mean, can Joker do the ear trick? I think not

But in all seriousness, it's not that Giorno lacks abilities, it's just that Joker says "nah" to damn near all of them. There's levels to these things.

"Oh cool, you can turn a brick into a snake? I shot God in the face."

 

[Tipper17]

ngl these comments cooking

I feel like neither of these fanbases have power scaling brain and the average fan from either one would probably say that their verses is massively overrated.

Like as a JoJo fan myself I look at people claiming characters like kars have city or mountain level AP and I'm just here thinking he's funny bird man who can turn into different animals and has a really strong healing factor. Like the idea that Joseph is city block level is such nonsense to me having watched the entire series because he never does anything remotely like that Joseph is a silly trickster who uses his wit and hamon to outsmart his opponents he doesn't level building or city's that just doesn't happen. These guys can't fly or run at ftp speeds they had to take cars and planes to get to Egypt if they were as fast as some people scale them to be then they'd get their faster jogging.

It's one of those things where peoples high ball calculations are just totally inconsistent with the characters portrayal and the scale of the series.

I honestly don't know what's up with persona but given the situation I'm guessing it's a similar thing

It's much worse with Persona

If you only played the game and don't analyse it with powerscaling brain you'd put Joker at building or city level at most (and that's with a massive power up)

Whereas most of the powerscaling community puts him at universal and above.

It's kinda hilarious if you think about it