That's actually one thing I think is kinda neat about SMT (I've only played Nocturne, but I know a bit about some of the other entries); they do tend to be a lot more creative with the worlds / settings in a way that Persona (specifically modern Persona, 3 onward) simply can't be most of the time because of how it's premise limits it. Persona 5 improves on that a little bit with the Palaces, but still, you get what I mean.
Not exactly, from what I can recall it's because he found people over there to be suspicious and has gone on record to be very skeptical to supernatural things in general. I believe spiritualism and Yokai myths also had a hand in it though with how much stuff the Jojo community spews who knows anymore.
He's definitely a very strange (in a good way) man. I put him in a similar category to someone like Hideo Kojima. Someone who has a very specific, oftentimes unorthodox vision that also has the freedom and talent to express said vision very well and share it with the world.
Yeah, I get what you mean. Even when SMT goes into more 'grounded' scenarios they are still more unique than Persona's settings (Devil Survivor just taking place in the real world with your main goal just being to prevent the apocalypse, which can be done in any manner of ways from simply solving it like a normal person and saving the day or just choosing to become a Demon Lord and fight all of Heaven in Wukong fashion)
Giorno needs to react to Joker summoning multiple personas or the sheer size of some of them (imagine his reaction to Satanael lol)
This makes me want 1 of those chart videos or something like has been done for Pokemon & Monster Hunters, ordering the "Demons" & "Personas" of Megami Tensei from smallest to largest.
This isn't really true, if you actually know anything about the origins of Persona. Kazuma Kaneko and Hirohiko Araki actually interviewed each other, and they discussed the creative processes behind Stands and Personas.
Personas weren't directly inspired by Stands. They were an extrapolation of a concept that evolved from Shin Megami Tensei. You can even see in Shin Megami Tensei if... the 'Guardian Spirit' mechanic that would eventually become Persona, so there's a very clear and traceable origin of Personas as a concept.
Ah, my bad didnt know.
This happens whenever an old doc is discovered by anyone. It’s pretty impressive how they’re able to figure out when their stuff got found.
That interview is really cool, it's kinda surreal to see the creators of two series I really like talk candidly like that. Thanks for the link
This was deleted. Give it to me straight, how does this affect Joker's chances?
ger explanation (credit to lousy)
Original raw stat page: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/jjba/images/1/1f/Goldexperiencerequiem.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150610170058 *Note: I will be referencing non-canon and secondary canon sources, but only as corroborating evidence for what is already shown in GER’s (admittedly brief...docs.google.com
Uhh apparently this is from DB's researchers
If Giorno wins, insert Revert to Zero joke
The animation
his chances were low already
ain't saving him dawg smt scaling or not we know joker take stats regardlessPhilemon appeared in the Joker preview, SMT scaling
How tf where his chances low lol.
I couldn't read the doc on time, I was wondering what was on it and how it affects Joker's chances?
we already know some of the researchers side with girono the only hope is the changed there minds but that alone is 50/50
there was no date on it
like what? alucard lost to dio years ago on swan blog and ended up eating shit lol
I ain't all up to speed with SMT scaling.Philemon appeared in the Joker preview, SMT scaling
Philemon. They don't scale fully to him though, but it's enough to matter imo
Philemon is who originally gave Persona users the ability so Summon persona back in 1 and 2. SMT scaling is the kind of scaling chains that get Joker to outerversal according to some scalers who believe that. While personally I don't buy it, if that's how they go about doing it for Joker it not only gives his stats the massive boost that he doesn't need, but layers his resistances and hax in like several dimensional layers of JRPG nonsense.
they think GER does not need to kill for the death loop, so hypothetically Joker gets sent out of the metaverse and dies....but just escapes via the metaverse navigator. Also, they claim GER has zero stats thus it is fodder lmao, and it gets beaten by anyone with causality, so Joker should win ig
Nvm, i thought it was something serious lmao
The fact they don't think GER needs to kill for deathloop is huge because a huge counter-argument was how Giorno could even kill Joker with such a stats advantage.
It does sort of sound like that's an argument to be made with the last paragraph in that doc, yeah. Also I find it odd that they're saying GER does no damage when two barrages nearly killed Diavolo, so I'm not sure where that argument is coming from.
Philemon appeared in the Joker preview, SMT scaling
You could argue Joker scales to or above Philemon (even ignoring our current Adam Kadmon scaling), but Philemon himself wouldn't confirm or deny 'SMT Scaling.' Whether Persona scales to the rest of Megami Tensei is contingent upon whether Persona takes place in the same cosmology as other entries and features the same cosmological structures. There is extremely strong evidence of both, but Philemon on his own would not be.
