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Well know who'll win when the ost drops, it's Therewolf
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Unironically I felt the Omni-Man win for the Sun Disk vs Bardock fight when I listened to Solid State Invincible ending, IDK why but I literally was just imagining the Omni-Man "I miss my wife" image when hearing it. Probably due to the fact it kinda just sounds like the type of noise you'd hear someone staring into the vacuum of space to me.
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Wouldn't be surprised if it's during a variation of this
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Hilarious mental image, thank you for that.
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Journey To The West tier upgrade
Transcendent monks and Bodhisattvas Enlightenment in JTTW reveals the illusory nature of reality, showing that distinctions and forms are inherently empty, which shoud qualify for 1-A: all of reality is nothing but an illusion to an entity. Of course this state is achieved by transcendent monks...
This just needs to be re-opened
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ger explanation (credit to lousy)
Original raw stat page: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/jjba/images/1/1f/Goldexperiencerequiem.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150610170058 *Note: I will be referencing non-canon and secondary canon sources, but only as corroborating evidence for what is already shown in GER’s (admittedly brief...
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Uhh apparently this is from DB's researchers
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Wow. Can't say I've ever seen someone argue both that GER doesn't have to kill you to activate the Death Loop and that GER actually has no destructive power whatsoever.ger explanation (credit to lousy)
Original raw stat page: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/jjba/images/1/1f/Goldexperiencerequiem.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150610170058 *Note: I will be referencing non-canon and secondary canon sources, but only as corroborating evidence for what is already shown in GER’s (admittedly brief...
Uhh apparently this is from DB's researchers
Interesting take, I guess.
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Honestly yeah, that's certainly a... unique way to describe it. Sort of interesting final notes on the reassurances that GER isn't invincible by this person's opinion as well.
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Always disagreed with the idea that Diavolo is still alive during the sewer scene. He himself questioned how tf he's still alive and there's implications that he's currently under the Death Loop already since he never summons King Crimson (something he was able to do before getting stand rushed by Giorno)
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Joker bros....ger explanation (credit to lousy)
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Okay, we are so lucky there has been so much support for Journey to The West in English, because I've been looking, and you can't find a good English translation of Investiture of The Gods for love or money. Seriously, my only options are to either read an extremely crappy pdf, that I'm lucky to even have, or just quickly go and learn traditional Chinese real fast.
Anyhow, on the whole GER thing, what exactly are the implications of that interpretation for the upcoming fight? All I got was that you need some sort of timey-wimey BS to beat it. Does Joker have that?
Anyhow, on the whole GER thing, what exactly are the implications of that interpretation for the upcoming fight? All I got was that you need some sort of timey-wimey BS to beat it. Does Joker have that?
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It's either "They buy Joker acausality/messes with fate and wins" or "He gets nothing and I lose my marbles over Giorno winning"
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GER whole thing is Casuality manipulation and Will power fuckery
Joker biggest arguments to resist GER fuckery
Maruki battle
Omnipotent Orb
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get ready to join the club
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Basically this, yeah. Especially if they think GER has no physical destructive ability at all.
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Someone needs to take that Dragon Ball meme of Goku overpowering hax and put Joker in it (if he wins)
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They also need to put a gun in one hand and a orb on the other
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always been that way
honestly its funny if Joker loses this
has everything he needs to stomp giorno into the ground only to lose to one thing
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I can see Giorno doing that, more-so for the sheer fact that Joker has a bargain bin of personas which any reasonable stand user is going to look at and say "WHAT IS THIS STUPID GIMMICK"
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Astute Observations
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Thoughts on Shocker(Kamen Rider) vs Red Ribbon Army(Dragonball)?
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I mostly agree, but excuse you & your wording?
"Bargain bin" implies they're cheap, the undesired or rip-offs!
If anything, Stands are bargan bin Personas, & Personas themselves are Bargain Bin Demons!
Lots of demons can, alone, annihilate most of Jojo by our standards.
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I was speaking of bargain bins in the same vein as Super Saiyans, as 99% of individual demons are shared throughout this verse and Joker has so many that it's an accurate description. (Also they could be bargain bin personas, I'll have you know I made busted builds in the velvet room at a low and affordable price)
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I respect the enthusiasm, but I don't think that's what that person was trying to imply.
And besides, I don't think the quality of a power system should be judged by how many universes it's strongest wielders can destroy. It's a very "my dad can beat up your dad" type of argument.
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The whole concept of the Persona series wouldn't exist without Stands.
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Yeah, I think I getcha'. I was being kind of facetious.
Plus, I just prefer SMT to Persona.
& yeah, it shouldn't all be about power. My bad.
Fair. (Even if Demons did originate in a game from 1987 whereas Stands come from Part 3, the manga of which started in 1989. & I did say Personas, so....)
Sorry if I irritated any of y'all.
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Hey no sweat homie, I wasn't trying to hate
Mainline SMT isn't really to my taste, but I totally understand why someone would prefer it to Persona. Totally valid take
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I think that falls under a bit of technicality and foresight, IIRC the original concept for Demons in MT is nothing close to the more modern depictions which has the JoJo influence.
Digimon on the other hand....
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Framing the match like an actual persona battle is really cool. I'm liking the story set up so far. Also like the music so far.
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How so, for both those statements?
What would you say is the reasons you think of for preferring one to another?Hey no sweat homie, I wasn't trying to hate
Mainline SMT isn't really to my taste, but I totally understand why someone would prefer it to Persona. Totally valid take
I lack the means to play any actual Megami Tensei/Persona stuff, besides Dx2, but I've read & watched stuff, & my preferences stem from what I'd call a sense of exoticism, & a hatred of anthropocentrism.
In SMT, all mythologies, rumours & cryptids are real & co-exist.
How do their ecologies & cultures intermingle? How do their alien thoughts differ from ours? How do their powers affect life?
Even if they are derived from human's inventions of fiction & perception, they are, by virtue of existing, their own things & distinct in that.
But Persona makes it all about the psyche of the humans. They take these fascinating beings, & go "Look! Our anime characters totally have aspects of these legendary beings in their personality!" & then have their anime guys & gals copy their powers, parading images of the more interesting beings around, or literally wearing them as just a mask.
Then they go on a typical JRPG adventure with slice of life mixed in.
The apocalypse setting of SMT is overused, but they are trying to make the apocalypses different, I'd say.
To me, using the demons how Persona does feels like casting the interesting in favor of the trite & already treaded. Putting them only into the minds of the humans, using them to represent the characters & making them the enemies to be torn down or tools to be used. Sure, it characterizes the human characters, but the demons feel like they're lessened in what they are for it.
I want to learn about the demons, & I want these fascinatingly different beings to take center stage & see how they are, & what they change.
I don't want them just being used as tools to further some anime characters characterization & give them superpowers.
Not that SMT does ideally, but I still like how it does what it does more.
Perhaps my logic & perspective is flawed & probably controversial, but that's why I prefer SMT to Persona, at least on principle.
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IIRC original MT demons were just digital monsters from another dimension (Digimon came out in 1997) as opposed to all of the cognitive stuff we have nowadays.
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That's actually a very thoughtful breakdown on SMT, I have to respect that. Which makes me feel a little bad, since my reasoning isn't nearly as complex, but I'll try and explain it.
For me, story and characters are what I'm primarily interested in when it comes to video games. People tend to get on my case for that, "Oh if you just want a story then go watch a movie", ya know that kinda thing, but that's just how I feel.
Anyway, I'll admit that I haven't played very much mainline SMT. I hadn't even tried it until Nocturne got remastered. When I did try it though (referring to Nocturne specifically), honestly, the characters and main plot just didn't really do it for me. I can't even really explain why, they just didn't really grab me, ya know? Just to be clear though, I am not trying to say that Persona characters are omg super complex and compelling. They're relatively simple, I'd say intentionally so, and that makes it easier to get invested in them.
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I can understand that, Megaten is very much "Long term investment for friendships that may or may not survive the actual end of the world" vs the much shorter term investments you get with Persona characters due to the constant downtime and interactions.
I personally kinda like the setting for Strange Journey due to how out there it is and probably having some of my favorite alignment characters in the entire franchise, same with Devil Survivor
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Didn’t Araki say stands came from his fear of the Egyptian people?
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Thanks. No need to get down on yourself, though. It's perfectly good & valid to have an opinion, even one that differs from a lot of other opinions. : )
I think I getcha'.
A big part of fiction is the characters. People ditch stories because they can't get invested.
I can really enjoy a good characterization.
For example, 1 of my favorite kinds of characters are those who are serious, unfeeling & without romance. "Married to their jobs" sort.
I enjoy the principle that what they are doing is just their job & that they should do it properly, without giving way to their feelings or compromising it with romance.
It's why for the most part, I've always been fond of The Brave and the Bold's Batman, a few occasions aside. Not only is he a more fun Batman, but The Hammers of Justice are wonderfully impartial & his cause of "justice" is what he's unerringly dedicated to, with little emotion in his way.
I haven't played Nocturne, so IDK much about its story.
As I alluded, I've loosely read about SMT & its settings & whatnot. I especially enjoy reading about the "demons".
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