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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Loh67867 said:
Hey, guys! Yamcha vs Kittan is a very rad MU that deserves way more attention! Unironically though, probably the only Yamcha MU i actually enjoy, I've already posted my TN for it in the previous thread but Aakkonen said I should do that again sooooo... Yeah!
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Yeah, Im surprisingly sold on this.

Yamcha in DB kinda sucked, it was either fodder in Human DBZ BR or a joke MU like vs Aquaman. But this has decent themes without making them complete jokes.

Granted, this is niche MU and needs Tipper's GohanUltramanZero level of advertising to realistically happen. Also probably a really bad size difference but they are going Kratos vs Asura so lol
 
0ホルスファルコン将軍0 said:
My friend who just got temp banned from the server by Speedy himself says otherwise and have y'all learned NOTHING from Ben 10 VS Green Lantern of putting important scaling information in black boxes?

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how convenient

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how convenient...
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Holy look at the cope on display from the crew.

I legit don't think they rigged this. I just think the research was ass, and the researchers were wrong but they won't admit it lol. In the end I got my Omni GOD win but even I can see the reasoning was just terrible
 
Ok, quick poll time. Are you satisfied with DB's research on DBZ?

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What is your opinion? Vote now: I am satisfied with their research on DBZ, I am NOT satisfied with their research on DBZ
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Thinking about it, they have fumbled a lot with DBZ.
  • In GvS1 they had that visual error on SSJ multipliers making them look they didnt apply SSJ1+2 for SSJ3
  • For Buu they gave Kirby the win based on feats that are inferior to Buu and didnt use feats Kirby could have won at the time, also dem bullet comment
  • GvS2 moment
  • 18 they literally got her basic moveset wrong cause they used Xenoverse stuff for absorption
  • They went back on Goku absorbing SSJG despite there being no real evidence on this in ThorVegeta
  • They didnt give HeroesTrunks immeasurable speed, despite putting him against immeasurable speed character while claming the MU was more debatable
  • GogetaVegito might be a love-letter of sorts to DBZ, but in season of introducing new verses, it made it one of the worst eps in the season
  • And on top of Sun Disk, they were nowhere near generous with Bardock
 
TMaakkonen said:
Ok, quick poll time. Are you satisfied with DB's research on DBZ?

strawpoll.com

Has DEATH BATTLE! done good research on Dragon Ball overall? - StrawPoll.com

What is your opinion? Vote now: I am satisfied with their research on DBZ, I am NOT satisfied with their research on DBZ
strawpoll.com strawpoll.com

Thinking about it, they have fumbled a lot with DBZ.
  • In GvS1 they had that visual error on SSJ multipliers making them look they didnt apply SSJ1+2 for SSJ3
  • For Buu they gave Kirby the win based on feats that are inferior to Buu and didnt use feats Kirby could have won at the time, also dem bullet comment
  • GvS2 moment
  • 18 they literally got her basic moveset wrong cause they used Xenoverse stuff for absorption
  • They went back on Goku absorbing SSJG despite there being no real evidence on this in ThorVegeta
  • They didnt give HeroesTrunks immeasurable speed, despite putting him against immeasurable speed character while claming the MU was more debatable
  • GogetaVegito might be a love-letter of sorts to DBZ, but in season of introducing new verses, it made it one of the worst eps in the season
  • And on top of Sun Disk, they were nowhere near generous with Bardock
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The only DBs with Dragon Ball I have little problem with the research is with Gogeta vs Vegito and Goku vs Superman 3 (albeit, I don't bother wirth multiverse nonsense beyond LoTR). Broly as well, but I have problems with Hulk in reverse so I still have issues with research there.

I really dislike their research on Dragon Ball a lot of the time. Seriously, I still can't fathom why they brought Saiyan Beyond God up for Vegeta and Goku Black.
 
Tbh Im not sure speed translates to 100% perfectly in PLs. Characters can focus on strength over speed and vice versa, but even if stronger characters are faster, Im not sure we have proof that say SSJ makes you 50x faster.

Then again, since PLs are kinda exponential, it might mean SSJ1 would be bigger boost to speed than 50x. Thats also possible.
 
TMaakkonen said:
Tbh Im not sure speed translates to 100% perfectly in PLs. Characters can focus on strength over speed and vice versa, but even if stronger characters are faster, Im not sure we have proof that say SSJ makes you 50x faster.
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Linear power level multipliers do all equally. We see this with Kaioken.

Individuals can specialise in stuff of course and make techniques that only multiply a facet though.
 
Oh there was statement for Kaioken huh.

Also adding the edit here, since PLs are kinda exponential, it might mean SSJ1 would be bigger boost to speed than 50x. Thats also possible.
 
Imo:

Mid research: GvS Goku, GvS2 Goku, Android 18 (was literally given fanfiction powers lol), Majin Buu (Bullet level durability is wild), Vegeta back in Season 1, Bardock

Alright research: Mister Satan, Roshi, Frieza, Beerus, Xeno Trunks, Vegeta in Season 9, Goku Black (aside from exaggerating his Acausality to be equal to Thawne's temporal immortality), Broly, Vegito, Gogeta, GvS3 Goku

So yeah I'd say their DB research was ass back in the day but generally fine nowadays, with the latest episode being the exception
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Vegeta in Season 9, Goku Black (aside from exaggerating his Acausality to be equal to Thawne's temporal immortality)
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Idk, Vegeta already had statements aboit being stronger than Broly at this point and Base Goku Black was reduced to upscaling from BoG SSJ God (Saiyan Beyond God is my bane) despite 1v1 a Blue Vegeta in base for a bit.

I'd put them in the top end of mid for y list.
 
PonePoster said:
Holy look at the cope on display from the crew.

I legit don't think they rigged this. I just think the research was ass, and the researchers were wrong but they won't admit it lol. In the end I got my Omni GOD win but even I can see the reasoning was just terrible
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The fact that all the researchers are being quieter than a church mouse shows how much they ****ed up and they trying their best to save face.
 
Anyways, I guess WileETom can have some debate?

Tom has significantly higher potential due to being a MC of a verse, but even after looking at that one blog, unless they give Tom weird shit like Wicked Witch's wand, he'd still have incredibly hard time killing WileE.
 
TMaakkonen said:
Anyways, I guess WileETom can have some debate?

Tom has significantly higher potential due to being a MC of a verse, but even after looking at that one blog, unless they give Tom weird shit like Wicked Witch's wand, he'd still have incredibly hard time killing WileE.
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I am pro tom I'm certain he had super powers at one point.
 
TMaakkonen said:
He needs atomizing levels of power since WileE regens from ashes, but since you are pro Tom you might have feats for Tom to handle that?
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Tom has similar regeneration, unsure about atomization tho, he dose have alot of gadgets? Hum I don't recall one that dose just that, but he could send him flying into the sun
 
Darkmon_cns said:
Tom has similar regeneration, unsure about atomization tho, he dose have alot of gadgets? Hum I don't recall one that dose just that, but he could send him flying into the sun
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I kinda didnt mention it but WileE does have anti-looney DNA, which negates cartoon regen. Unless you go for "well Tom isnt a looney tunes character". Id say it prolly should work considering DB has equalized different verse shit.

So if Tom doesnt have way to beat WileE's regen, then it kinda looks like WileE can counter Tom's. It then depends on is WileE actually incompetent enough to lose over 50% of time. I do feel like Tom technically seems to die more often and easier as well. Tom's biggest wincon then is them giving Tom the truly weird shit like that witches wand to wish WileE away but things get really weird if you go that far in one-off items.

So for me, it does look like there is some debate at least?
 
TMaakkonen said:
I kinda didnt mention it but WileE does have anti-looney DNA, which negates cartoon regen. Unless you go for "well Tom isnt a looney tunes character". Id say it prolly should work considering DB has equalized different verse shit.

So if Tom doesnt have way to beat WileE's regen, then it kinda looks like WileE can counter Tom's. It then depends on is WileE actually incompetent enough to lose over 50% of time. I do feel like Tom technically seems to die more often and easier as well. Tom's biggest wincon then is them giving Tom the truly weird shit like that witches wand to wish WileE away but things get really weird if you go that far in one-off items.

So for me, it does look like there is some debate at least?
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I am sure Tom has something he has a super big history and has existed in alot of themes
 
JoshDoshMosh said:
Hey, thoughts on Gwenpool vs Superboy Prime?
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Well it at least means that Gwenpool wouldn't fight that Haruko girl from FLCL.

I guess that would make her best match against Space Dandy. Which, from my general knowledge and looking at her profile here, would end up as one of the biggest stomps in Death Battle. Island level against someone who's infinite multiversal
 
StrymULTRA said:
4.09600e27, or 4.096 Octillion. Why?
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...well you see ultra instinct do to a recent revision scales above SSB gogeta and base gogeta scales above SSB goku. The multiplier for SSB is 8 million, so ultra instinct scales above 64 trillion. If a fusion used ultra instinct or ultra ego, or a more perfect fusion of the 2, it would have the power of 64 trillion times 64 trillion base. And I struggled to fine what that number was.
 
Darkmon_cns said:
...well you see ultra instinct do to a recent revision scales above SSB gogeta and base gogeta scales above SSB goku. The multiplier for SSB is 8 million, so ultra instinct scales above 64 trillion. If a fusion used ultra instinct or ultra ego, or a more perfect fusion of the 2, it would have the power of 64 trillion times 64 trillion base. And I struggled to fine what that number was.
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I admit applying it in this why is more fan fictioney but I still love it.
 
StrymULTRA said:
This is what I did (1 second):
  • 0.5 * 2.645450449e26 * (161180000/2)^2 = 8.59076714e41 Joules or 205.32 Quettatons (Star)
This is approximately what Death Battle did (0.25 seconds):
  • 0.5 * 2.645450449e26 * ((161180000/2)/0.25)^2 = 1.37452274e43 Joules or 3.28 KiloQuettatons (Large Star)
See the difference? It became 16 times higher from simply being x4 faster.
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Ok so I rechecked the Death Battle vid, and they got it at 8.6418 KiloQuettatons, which is 2.63 times higher than mine.

Geniuine lmaoing rn.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
No cap: as someone who has autism and wants to try a hand at streaming on Twitch and or YouTube...one of the things that keeps me away from doing that is becoming the next Chris Chan. It genuinely terrifies me, like looking into the abyss and having it blink back at you.
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I mean I was accused by an Enelcordian at one point for 'being the next ChrisChan' for the sin of... having opinions about Xenosaga III's narrative. These people genuinely don't know what 'cheapening evil' is...

But yeah, I agree with other Quotes you've been given. It's just a matter of having more restraint than the other high-profile channels who have let this fame and power go to their heads.
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Ben claims the reception for Omnidock is in actuality mostly positive overall and compares it to Thor vs Vegeta
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Mainly due to the fight and music shit like Vader vs Obito, Madara vs Aizen, Raven vs Phoenix etc has positive reception despite there outcomes being dubious and research being flawed.

Good fight and music being good but outcome and results being ass.

Thor vs Vegeta ain't really a good comparison considering many people knew Vegeta was a dead man walking in,Thor having what it takes to win etc. don't see how either comparable.
 
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