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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (2024–2025) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

I think Mahito vs Shigaraki might be my most anticipated episode, now. Love JJK and know absolutely nothing about MHA. Despite what that may imply though, I'm excited for the fight simply because I wanna watch Mahito get his **** rocked, and I'm 99% Shigaraki can do that based on what I've heard about him (gotta leave 1% open now for potential Sun Disk level shenanigans).
 
StrymULTRA said:
So I decided to make the calc according to VBW's rules on the Sun Disc's feat, as I said above.

I'll be using two methods:
  1. Lagrange Points
  2. Umbra size
Time to get this shitshow:

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  • Planet: 492 px
  • Sun Disc: 79 px
  • Star: 47 px
  • Panel's height: 285 px
  • Petal: 7.21 px
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  • Petal's height (imma call them like that): 87.05 px
  • Petal's thickness: 9.9 px
Now... the distance between the star and panel is easy to get, as the default assumption is our Sun unless specified otherwise.
  • (1391400 * 285) / [47 * 2tan(70/2 deg)] = 6024794.3 km
Huh... a lot.

The planet on the other hand is gonna be trickier. I'll use 3 assumptions: Our Earth, Viltrum (again, as VBW currently accepts it) and, as a generous high end, the densest planet ever according to Wikipedia.

I'll also use this very nice rule about scaling the actual diameter of the planet if it's too close to the POV.

Last, but not least, I'll use this calculator to get the distance between the planet and Solar Disc (which will be between M2 and L1).

Imma use steel here for the material, as it's pretty common for this space stuff, and the ends for destruction are fragmentation (208 j/cm3) and pulverization (1000 j/cm3).

Earth end

Part 1:
  • Actual planet's diameter = sqrt(1-(tan(35)x(492/285))^2/((tan(35)x(492/285))^2+1))x12742 = 9862.86584 km
  • Distance between POV and planet = (9862.86584 * 285) / [492 * 2tan(70/2 deg)] = 4079.68006 km
  • Distance between star and planet = 6024794.3 - 4079.68006 = 6020714.62 km, which is 0.0402459914 AU
  • The calculator tells me that the distance between Sun Disc and Planet = 60229.1 km
  • The angle for the Sun Disc = 2atan(tan(35deg)*(79/285)) = 0.383417968 Rad = 21.968231 Deg
  • Size = 23380 km
Part 2 (IMAGE 1):
  • Sun Disc: 79 px = 23380 km
  • 1 px = 295.9493671 km
  • Petal's height = 7.21 px = 2133.794937 km
Part 2 (IMAGE 2):
  • Petal's height = 87.05 px = 2133.794937 km
  • 1 px = 24.51229106 km
  • Petal's thickness (will use as a low end for the whole thickness) = 9.9 px = 242.6716815 km
Part 3:
  • Sun Disc's volume = pi * ((23380/2)^2) * 242.6716815 = 1.04183272e11 km^3 =1.04183272e26 cm^3
  • Sun Disc's mass = 1.04183272e26 * ((7.5+8)/2) = 8.07420358e26 g = 8.07420358e23 kg
  • Fragmentation = 208 * 1.04183272e26 = 2.167012058e28 Joules or 5.18 Exatons (Multi-Continent)
  • Pulverization = 1000 * 1.04183272e26 = 1.04183272e29 Joules or 24.9 Exatons (Multi-Continent+)
  • Assuming KE under 1 second because it's fun = 0.5 * 8.07420358e23 * (23380000/2)^2 = 5.51694586e37 Joules or 13.19 Ronnatons (Large Planet+)
Viltrum end

Part 1:
  • Actual planet's diameter = sqrt(1-(tan(35)x(492/285))^2/((tan(35)x(492/285))^2+1))x12742 = 9862.86584 km
  • Distance between POV and planet = (9862.86584 * 285) / [492 * 2tan(70/2 deg)] = 4079.68006 km
  • Distance between star and planet = 6024794.3 - 4079.68006 = 6020714.62 km, which is 0.0402459914 AU
  • The calculator tells me that the distance between Sun Disc and Planet = 64882.7 km (remember that VBW's mass for Viltrum is 7.4661961e+24 kg if you check the linked blog above)
  • The angle for the Sun Disc = 2atan(tan(35deg)*(79/285)) = 0.383417968 Rad = 21.968231 Deg
  • Size = 25187 km
Part 2 (IMAGE 1):
  • Sun Disc: 79 px = 25187 km
  • 1 px = 318.8227848 km
  • Petal's height = 7.21 px = 2298.712278 km
Part 2 (IMAGE 2):
  • Petal's height = 87.05 px = 2298.712278 km
  • 1 px = 26.40680388 km
  • Petal's thickness (will use as a low end for the whole thickness) = 9.9 px = 261.4273584 km
Part 3:
  • Sun Disc's volume = pi * ((25187/2)^2) * 261.4273584 = 1.30254819e11 km^3 = 1.30254819e26 cm^3
  • Sun Disc's mass = 1.30254819e26 * ((7.5+8)/2) = 1.009474847e27 g = 1.009474847e24 kg
  • Fragmentation = 208 * 1.30254819e26 = 2.709300235e28 Joules or 6.47 Exatons (Multi-Continent)
  • Pulverization = 1000 * 1.30254819e26 = 1.30254819e29 Joules or 31.13 Exatons (Moon)
  • Assuming KE under 1 second because it's fun = 0.5 * 1.009474847e24 * (25187000/2)^2 = 8.00494587e37 Joules or 19.13 Ronnatons (Brown Dwarf)
Densest planet end

Part 0 (to understand the size and mass of the thing):
  • The radius is 0.4 Jupiter's, which means that the diameter is 2 * 0.4 * 71492 = 57193.6 km
  • Mass is 330 Earths, or 330 * 5.9722e24 = 1.970826e27 kg
Part 1:
  • Actual planet's diameter = sqrt(1-(tan(35)x(492/285))^2/((tan(35)x(492/285))^2+1))x57193.6 = 44270.3503 km
  • Distance between POV and planet = (44270.3503 * 285) / [492 * 2tan(70/2 deg)] = 18312.0067 km
  • Distance between star and planet = 6024794.3 - 18312.0067 = 6006482.293 km, which is 0.0401508542 AU
  • The calculator tells me that the distance between Sun Disc and Planet = 415225 km
  • The angle for the Sun Disc = 2atan(tan(35deg)*(79/285)) = 0.383417968 Rad = 21.968231 Deg
  • Size = 161180 km
Part 2 (IMAGE 1):
  • Sun Disc: 79 px = 161180 km
  • 1 px = 2040.253165 km
  • Petal's height = 7.21 px = 14710.22532 km
Part 2 (IMAGE 2):
  • Petal's height = 87.05 px = 14710.22532 km
  • 1 px = 168.9859313 km
  • Petal's thickness (will use as a low end for the whole thickness) = 9.9 px = 1672.96072 km
Part 3:
  • Sun Disc's volume = pi * ((161180/2)^2) * 1672.96072 = 3.41348445e13 km^3 = 3.41348445e28 cm^3
  • Sun Disc's mass = 3.41348445e28 * ((7.5+8)/2) = 2.645450449e29 g = 2.645450449e26 kg
  • Fragmentation = 208 * 3.41348445e28 = 7.100047656e30 Joules or 1.7 Zettatons (Small Planet)
  • Pulverization = 1000 * 3.41348445e28 = 3.41348445e31 Joules or 8.16 Zettatons (Small Planet)
  • Assuming KE under 1 second because it's fun = 0.5 * 2.645450449e26 * (161180000/2)^2 = 8.59076714e41 Joules or 205.32 Quettatons (Star)

I think this other one is more accurate as it takes in account the fact that the Solar Disc has completely covered the planet from the star, causing its temperature to massively drop. It won't use any pixel scaling here, outside to get the thickness of the disc.

Thanks to this, we know that (assuming Moon = Disc):
  • Radius of Umbra = RadiusMoon - ((Distance Moon-Earth - RadiusEarth)/(Distance Sun-Earth - Distance Moon-Earth))*(RadiusSun - RadiusMoon)
If you don't know, the Umbra is the part that's completely covered in darkness during an eclypse, and what gets their temperature to decrease.

The distance between Sun and Planet is the easiest to take here. Minimal AU to be habitable is 0.9 (and I'll use it as the ice trapping these aliens was melting super fast), which will be 149597870700 m * 0.9 = 134638083630 m, or 134638083.63 km.

The 2nd thing that's unknown here is the distance between Disc and Planet, which will be using the formula from here. The density for the Disc will be stainless steel, which is (7500 + 8000)/2 or 7750 kg/m3.

The rest will be taken care off in the 3 ends, which are the same of the 1st method: Our Earth, Viltrum (again, as VBW currently accepts it) and, as a generous high end, the densest planet ever according to Wikipedia.

For the Thickness, instead...
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  • Sun Disc: 79 px
  • Petal: 787-.21 px
  • Ratio: 10.95700416
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  • Petal: 87.05 px
  • Thickness: 9.9 px
  • Ratio: 8.792929293
Meaning that the diameter of the Disc is 96.34416284 times higher than its thickness.

Earth end

To find the distance between planet and disc (Earth's density is 5513 kg/m3):
  • 2.4 * 6371 * ((5513/7750)^(1/3)) = 13649.4225 km
To find the Radius of the Disc, we know that, assuming that X is the radius of the Disc:
  • 6371 = X - ((13649.4225 - 6371)/(134638083.63 - 13649.4225))*(696340 - X)
  • Putting it in Microsoft Calculator gives me 6408.300913699 km
  • Thickness = 6408.300913699 / 96.34416284 = 66.51467743 km
Now time to get the AP:
  • Sun Disc's volume = pi * (6408.300913699^2) * 66.51467743 = 8.58130139e9 km^3 = 8.58130139e24 cm^3
  • Sun Disc's mass = 8.58130139e24 * 7.75 = 6.650508577e25 g = 6.650508577e22 kg
  • Fragmentation = 208 * 8.58130139e24 = 1.784910689e27 Joules or 426.6 Petatons (Multi-Continent)
  • Pulverization = 1000 * 8.58130139e24 = 8.58130139e27 Joules or 2.05 Exatons (Multi-Continent)
  • Assuming KE under 1 second because it's fun = 0.5 * 6.650508577e22 * (6408300.913699)^2 = 1.365559589e36 Joules or 326.38 Yottatons (Large Planet)
Viltrum end

To find the distance between planet and disc (Viltrum's density is 5513 * 1.25 = 6891.25 kg/m^3):
  • 2.4 * 6371 * ((6891.25/7750)^(1/3)) = 14703.3947 km
To find the Radius of the Disc, we know that, assuming that X is the radius of the Disc:
  • 6371 = X - ((14703.3947 - 6371)/(134638083.63 - 14703.3947))*(696340 - X)
  • Putting it in Microsoft Calculator gives me 6413.702376182 km
  • Thickness = 6413.702376182 / 96.34416284 = 66.57074167 km
Now time to get the AP:
  • Sun Disc's volume = pi * (6413.702376182^2) * 66.57074167 = 8.60301884e9 km^3 = 8.60301884e24 cm^3
  • Sun Disc's mass = 8.60301884e24 * 7.75 = 6.667339601e25 g = 6.667339601e22 kg
  • Fragmentation = 208 * 8.60301884e24 = 1.789427919e27 Joules or 427.68 Petatons (Multi-Continent)
  • Pulverization = 1000 * 8.60301884e24 = 8.60301884e27 Joules or 2.06 Exatons (Multi-Continent)
  • Assuming KE under 1 second because it's fun = 0.5 * 6.650508577e22 * (6408300.913699)^2 = 1.36555959e36 Joules or 326.38 Yottatons (Large Planet) (lol)
Densest Planet end

To find the distance between planet and disc (density is 23 g/cm3, or 23000 g/cm3):
  • The radius is 0.4 Jupiter's, which means that the radius 0.4 * 71492 = 28596.8 km
  • 2.4 * 28596.8 * ((6891.25/7750)^(1/3)) = 65997.4943 km
To find the Radius of the Disc, we know that, assuming that X is the radius of the Disc:
  • 28596.8 = X - ((65997.4943 - 28596.8)/(134638083.63 - 65997.4943))*(696340 - X)
  • Putting it in Microsoft Calculator gives me 28782.329711778 km
  • Thickness = 28782.329711778 / 96.34416284 = 298.7449251 km
Now time to get the AP:
  • Sun Disc's volume = pi * (28782.329711778^2) * 298.7449251 = 7.775034e11 km^3 = 7.775034e26 cm^3
  • Sun Disc's mass = 7.775034e26 * 7.75 = 6.02565135e27 g = 6.02565135e24 kg
  • Fragmentation = 208 * 7.775034e26 = 1.617207072e29 Joules or 38.65 Exatons (Moon)
  • Pulverization = 1000 * 7.775034e26 = 7.775034e29 Joules or 185.83 Exatons (Moon)
  • Assuming KE under 1 second because it's fun = 0.5 * 6.02565135e24 * (6408300.913699)^2 = 1.23725665e38 Joules or 29.57 Ronnatons (Brown Dwarf)

TLDR coz numbers are beeg:
  • Lagrange method:
    • Earth:
      • Fragmentation = 5.18 Exatons (Multi-Continent)
      • Pulverization = 24.9 Exatons (Multi-Continent+)
      • KE for fun = 13.19 Ronnatons (Large Planet+)
    • Viltrum:
      • Fragmentation = 6.47 Exatons (Multi-Continent)
      • Pulverization = 31.13 Exatons (Moon)
      • KE for fun = 19.13 Ronnatons (Brown Dwarf)
    • Densest Planet in the universe:
      • Fragmentation = 1.7 Zettatons (Small Planet)
      • Pulverization = 8.16 Zettatons (Small Planet)
      • KE for fun = 205.32 Quettatons (Star)

  • Umbra method (more accurate imo):
    • Earth:
      • Fragmentation = 426.6 Petatons (Multi-Continent)
      • Pulverization = 2.05 Exatons (Multi-Continent)
      • KE for fun = 326.38 Yottatons (Large Planet)
    • Viltrum
      • Fragmentation = 427.68 Petatons (Multi-Continent)
      • Pulverization = 2.06 Exatons (Multi-Continent)
      • KE for fun = 326.38 Yottatons (Large Planet) (lol)
    • Densest Planet in the universe:
      • Fragmentation = 38.65 Exatons (Moon)
      • Pulverization = 185.83 Exatons (Moon)
      • KE for fun = 29.57 Ronnatons (Brown Dwarf)
I'd take fragmentation of the Viltrum end in the Umbra method tbh, as the Black hole shit was cartoon only, and we barely see any destruction of the disc.
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Stand proud, you can cook!
 
Lawyerr said:
Agree on the agenda after the comparison in the video.

You not only have to purposely downplay the King Vegeta calc with making the planets smaller than Earth for no reason since it easily gets Quettatons.

But you have to ignore every bit of context for the Viltrum bust, not divide it by three even though three people preformed it, and give it the most generous assumptions for planet size.

I sincerely do not trust the Research Team after this charade. They're completely compromised.
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Death Battle being Biased is now legitimate again, welcome back 2015 Yang VS Tifa. Ben Singer, Chad James, Liam Swan for the sake of your future reputation, switch out the research team.
 
JoshDoshMosh said:
Hey, thoughts on Gwenpool vs Superboy Prime?
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I Love it, Gwenpool is beyond herld tier and could probably fight the one above all. She is bear minium above eternity. Super boy prime meanwhile punched the anit matter wall from infifnte crisis shattering it the wall thay destoryed and reset everything that wasn't a GL
 
Stuff from the Cast that's relevant to Omnidock for people that aren't trying to sit through an hour long podcast


  • 52:16 - 53:17 - Ben claims the reception for Omnidock is in actuality mostly positive overall and compares it to Thor vs Vegeta. He says the crew appreciates critical feedback, the show grows overtime, and that no season of DB is quite the same as the previous season. He admits that there are some things in Omnidock that could've been explained better.
  • 56:00 - 57:38 - Addresses concerns about scaling Omni-Man to the Sun Disk's destruction.
  • 57:38 - 59:36 - Addresses the "we could die on impact" Viltrum anti-feat. They admit that they should've acknowledged it in the episode but dismiss its importance because it's a "singular statement", an anti-feat (DB doesn't use anti-feats unless you're a Sonic character or Carol Danvers), and because it's an "unknown factor" ("We don't really know what would've happened if they hit the core").
  • 59:36 - 1:01:58 - They bring up the fact that the Infinity Ray is Star level and imply Viltrum might simply be an abnormal planet since the Infinity Ray simply destabilized its core rather than destroying the planet outright by itself. They also acknowledge the lower end calcs for the Sun Disk but say they tend to use benefit-of-the-doubt highballs for calcs, saying they did the same for Bardock by generously scaling him to Goku's meteor feat.
  • 1:01:58 - 1:02:27 - They address the "Why didn't Bardock speed blitz if he's so much faster by your numbers?" question by claiming they don't determine a victor based on a single stat advantage.
  • 1:02:28 - 1:04:16 - They address why they didn't give Bardock Dragon Ball Heroes-exclusive stuff like Super Saiyan 3 and also explain why they included SSJ Bardock at all despite it being non-canon.
  • 1:07:03 - 1:07:56 - They say they don't rig outcomes and that they'd have no reason to do so (and if they did Bardock would've won).
 
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Tots_Real said:
It's fine... Like it's not bad, there is certainly worse for both. Lord English is probably still better for Clark, and I find Gwenpool vs Linkara really funny but Gwenpool vs Superboy is fine.
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I feel like the perfect matchup for gewnpool would actually be a none standard fight involving them both working together to over come the others weakness (gewnpools is the editorial office and the writers insisting she's not important enough to do certain things) and together escaping the death battle to live in peace.
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:

  • 52:16 - 53:17 - Ben claims the reception for Omnidock is in actuality mostly positive overall and compares it to Thor vs Vegeta. He says the crew appreciates critical feedback, the show grows overtime, and that no season of DB is quite the same as the previous season. He admits that there are some things in Omnidock that could've been explained better.
  • 56:00 - 57:38 - Addresses concerns about scaling Omni-Man to the Sun Disk's destruction.
  • 57:38 - 59:36 - Addresses the "we could die on impact" Viltrum anti-feat. They admit that they should've acknowledged it in the episode but dismiss its importance because it's a "singular statement", an anti-feat (DB doesn't use anti-feats unless you're a Sonic character or Carol Danvers), and because it's an "unknown factor" ("We don't really know what would've happened if they hit the core").
  • 59:36 - 1:01:58 - They bring up the fact that the Infinity Ray is Star level and imply Viltrum might simply be an abnormal planet since the Infinity Ray simply destabilized its core rather than destroying the planet outright by itself. They also acknowledge the lower end calcs for the Sun Disk but say they tend to use benefit-of-the-doubt highballs for calcs, saying they did the same for Bardock by generously scaling him to Goku's meteor feat.
  • 1:01:58 - 1:01:27 - They address the "Why didn't Bardock speed blitz if he's so much faster by your numbers?" question by claiming they don't determine a victor based on a single stat advantage.
  • 1:02:28 - 1:04:16 - They address why they didn't give Bardock Dragon Ball Heroes-exclusive stuff like Super Saiyan 3 and also explain why they included SSJ Bardock at all despite it being non-canon.
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This sounds like a perfectly reasonable and calm explanation of how things went down
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
He says the crew appreciates critical feedback, He admits that there are some things in Omnidock that could've been explained better.
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My friend who just got temp banned from the server by Speedy himself says otherwise and have y'all learned NOTHING from Ben 10 VS Green Lantern of putting important scaling information in black boxes?
Maverick_Zero_X said:
They bring up the fact that the Infinity Ray is Star level and imply Viltrum might simply be an abnormal planet since the Infinity Ray simply destabilized its core rather than destroying the planet outright by itself. They also acknowledge the lower end calcs for the Sun Disk but say they tend to use benefit-of-the-doubt highballs for calcs, saying they did the same for Bardock by generously scaling him to Goku's meteor feat.
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how convenient
Maverick_Zero_X said:
They address the "Why didn't Bardock speed blitz if he's so much faster by your numbers?" question by claiming they don't determine a victor based on a single stat advantage.
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how convenient...
 
ShawnFaux said:
I wonder what their answer would be if you asked them if Omni-Man beats first form Frieza.
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They'd refer to the orginal manga, where the only feat of note is moon busting and run a few numbers of how frezia is likely at least 500 times that number- sense vegeta as a great ape wouldn't match him, and ua other scaling chains...

Idk man without the toei timeline he dosen't have the feat
 
You know thinking about it it is werid that we both don't consider power levels to scale linearly but do use accepted multipliers for them which also happen to multiple the power level by the same amount. Like factually by the wiki standards some ranges of numbers for power levels just..are liner increases
 
ShawnFaux said:
I think Mahito vs Shigaraki might be my most anticipated episode, now. Love JJK and know absolutely nothing about MHA. Despite what that may imply though, I'm excited for the fight simply because I wanna watch Mahito get his **** rocked, and I'm 99% Shigaraki can do that based on what I've heard about him (gotta leave 1% open now for potential Sun Disk level shenanigans).
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Dang, what did Mahito do?
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Stuff from the Cast that's relevant to Omnidock for people that aren't trying to sit through an hour long podcast


  • 52:16 - 53:17 - Ben claims the reception for Omnidock is in actuality mostly positive overall and compares it to Thor vs Vegeta. He says the crew appreciates critical feedback, the show grows overtime, and that no season of DB is quite the same as the previous season. He admits that there are some things in Omnidock that could've been explained better.
  • 56:00 - 57:38 - Addresses concerns about scaling Omni-Man to the Sun Disk's destruction.
  • 57:38 - 59:36 - Addresses the "we could die on impact" Viltrum anti-feat. They admit that they should've acknowledged it in the episode but dismiss its importance because it's a "singular statement", an anti-feat (DB doesn't use anti-feats unless you're a Sonic character or Carol Danvers), and because it's an "unknown factor" ("We don't really know what would've happened if they hit the core").
  • 59:36 - 1:01:58 - They bring up the fact that the Infinity Ray is Star level and imply Viltrum might simply be an abnormal planet since the Infinity Ray simply destabilized its core rather than destroying the planet outright by itself. They also acknowledge the lower end calcs for the Sun Disk but say they tend to use benefit-of-the-doubt highballs for calcs, saying they did the same for Bardock by generously scaling him to Goku's meteor feat.
  • 1:01:58 - 1:01:27 - They address the "Why didn't Bardock speed blitz if he's so much faster by your numbers?" question by claiming they don't determine a victor based on a single stat advantage.
  • 1:02:28 - 1:04:16 - They address why they didn't give Bardock Dragon Ball Heroes-exclusive stuff like Super Saiyan 3 and also explain why they included SSJ Bardock at all despite it being non-canon.
  • 1:07:03 - 1:07:56 - They say they don't rig outcomes and that they'd have no reason to do so (and if they did Bardock would've won).
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Holy shit, these explanations are not only barebones but completely hypocritical or don't even make sense.

What the actual ****.
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Stuff from the Cast that's relevant to Omnidock for people that aren't trying to sit through an hour long podcast


  • 52:16 - 53:17 - Ben claims the reception for Omnidock is in actuality mostly positive overall and compares it to Thor vs Vegeta. He says the crew appreciates critical feedback, the show grows overtime, and that no season of DB is quite the same as the previous season. He admits that there are some things in Omnidock that could've been explained better.
  • 56:00 - 57:38 - Addresses concerns about scaling Omni-Man to the Sun Disk's destruction.
  • 57:38 - 59:36 - Addresses the "we could die on impact" Viltrum anti-feat. They admit that they should've acknowledged it in the episode but dismiss its importance because it's a "singular statement", an anti-feat (DB doesn't use anti-feats unless you're a Sonic character or Carol Danvers), and because it's an "unknown factor" ("We don't really know what would've happened if they hit the core").
  • 59:36 - 1:01:58 - They bring up the fact that the Infinity Ray is Star level and imply Viltrum might simply be an abnormal planet since the Infinity Ray simply destabilized its core rather than destroying the planet outright by itself. They also acknowledge the lower end calcs for the Sun Disk but say they tend to use benefit-of-the-doubt highballs for calcs, saying they did the same for Bardock by generously scaling him to Goku's meteor feat.
  • 1:01:58 - 1:01:27 - They address the "Why didn't Bardock speed blitz if he's so much faster by your numbers?" question by claiming they don't determine a victor based on a single stat advantage.
  • 1:02:28 - 1:04:16 - They address why they didn't give Bardock Dragon Ball Heroes-exclusive stuff like Super Saiyan 3 and also explain why they included SSJ Bardock at all despite it being non-canon.
  • 1:07:03 - 1:07:56 - They say they don't rig outcomes and that they'd have no reason to do so (and if they did Bardock would've won).
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Bro, I just watch all of that **** their explanations absolutely horseshit.
 
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Death Battle Season Eight Discussion Thread (2) (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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