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BB (Fate/Extra CCC) Revisions - Part 1* (almost done here)

Okay, a few things here:

  • 1. Stop bringing more stuffs when OP already need to be evaluated, it make things confuse
  • 2. Someone can summary the abtract existence of BB? i'am confused (if possible all the abstract stuff and infos)
  • 3. Really someone call staff members, if possible Monarch, seriously there is not even a staff members here to evaluate the things and now that things becoming confuse it make the evaluation more difficult.
 
The Causality said:
Okay, a few things here:
  • 1. Stop bringing more stuffs when OP already need to be evaluated, it make things confuse
  • 2. Someone can summary the abtract existence of BB? i'am confused (if possible all the abstract stuff and infos)
  • 3. Really someone call staff members, if possible Monarch, seriously there is not even a staff members here to evaluate the things and now that things becoming confuse it make the evaluation more difficult.
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2. It was stated she was one with history and space-time, but it doesn't seem she's connected to it so much that you have to destroy it to kill her.

3. UpgradeMan attempted to. But Monarch seems to be busy.
 
The Causality said:
Okay, a few things here:
  • 1. Stop bringing more stuffs when OP already need to be evaluated, it make things confuse
  • 2. Someone can summary the abtract existence of BB? i'am confused (if possible all the abstract stuff and infos)
  • 3. Really someone call staff members, if possible Monarch, seriously there is not even a staff members here to evaluate the things and now that things becoming confuse it make the evaluation more difficult.
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I counted monarch twice.. Once when this thread was created on that day, and then yesterday as well, but i noticed since the creation of this thread.. Monarch has only made 1 or 2 comments on a different thread... he's probably busy with real life stuff
 
@Dinou then it's type 3 since you don't need to bust the concept to kill her

@Upgrade I see. then you can call other staff members like Matthew, Mr. Bambu, Wokistan and co.
 
^Panting^ i.. messaged.. all of them.. ^Panting hard^ I messaged.. all red to green... named ^collapses^

my fingers hurt lel
 
Choosing Type 3 for Abstract Existence. Disagreeing with Invisibility (But agreed with Stealth Mastery!), I don't see any strong proof for it. Acausality (Type 4) is okay, being unaffected by a loop means that your system of cause is different.

Agreed with other stuff.
 
Skalt711 said:
Choosing Type 3 for Abstract Existence. Disagreeing with Invisibility (But agreed with Stealth Mastery!), I don't see any strong proof for it. Acausality (Type 4) is okay, being unaffected by a loop means that your system of cause is different.
Agreed with other stuff.
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Besides possible Invisibility, I agree with this point.
 
Hallo.

I'll go through the list in the OP.

Acausality Type 4: I'm fairly certain this isn't a strong enough case to warrant this, especially since it seems very... vague? It feels like this is one explanation taken at random, basically. Put me as against.

Higher-D Existence: Seems fine since regardless of how you view their simile it implies the same end result.

Sense and Perception: Feel like Sense fits more but this is fine.

Memory Manip: A-Okay with this.

Fusionism: No scan? So I can't really say if this is legit?

Aura Stuff: Seems fine.

Paralysis Inducement: Same.

Resurrection/Summon: Fine.

Information Manip: Feel like this is very lenient with mind manip, but okay. It's fine to add.

Absorption: Clear cut enough. Approve. It doesn't mention soul though, but I assume this was implied in the game's common knowledge.

Telepathy: Accepted.

Electricity: Easily accepted.

Stealth or Invisibility: I take this more as decent Stealth than outright Invisibility, I think.

Morality Manipulation: This is just Mind Manipulation. Not Morality Manip.

Immortalities: These look okay but Type 9 for the soul might be stretching just a tad.

Abstract Existence Type 1: 100% opposed.
 
Pretty sure most of this is already on the profile, but:

  • Type 4 looks okay-ish
  • AE is type 3. Not really any proof it's 1
  • Higher D mind was already a thing, so yes
  • No to invisibility, Stealth Mastery is fine
Rest looks fine.
 
I'm neutral here, but Promestein, and DragonMasterxyz I see listed as supporters. So you could ask them. I also think Glassman was familiar with the verse.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
I'm neutral here, but Promestein, and DragonMasterxyz I see listed as supporters. So you could ask them. I also think Glassman was familiar with the verse.
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This is what Promestei had to say when i asked him about a previous thread... "I'm not bothering with Fate/stuff anymore." - https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3181286#2

Theglassman12 said this.. "Sorry, I only know about Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Zero. You should ask someone else who's knowledgeable on the rest of the series." - https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3321502#2

There was several other admins that messages me within the few hours i been gone saying.. basically "I don't know enough of the verse to get involved with it"....

DragonMasterXYZ.. i am still waiting for a response on..
 
Hmm, I see. That sounds fair enough then. Reppuzan also knew quite a bit, but he's sadly retired.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Fusionism: No scan? So I can't really say if this is legit?

Absorption: Clear cut enough. Approve. It doesn't mention soul though, but I assume this was implied in the game's common knowledge.

Morality Manipulation: This is just Mind Manipulation. Not Morality Manip.

Immortalities: These look okay but Type 9 for the soul might be stretching just a tad.
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What is your stance on "Supergenius Intelligence, possibly Nigh-omniscient"

I will have to get the scans when i get off work.. sorry about that.. that's something only knowlegeable members would know about... but i should get them anyways.. bad habbit of mine.. @The fusionism

It was these scans that have soul absorption [1] [2]

I was thinking Morality Manipulation for "Morality Control for making them her slaves, and changing their loyalty"

There will be a sepearate thread in the future for Type 9 immortalities.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Also don't agree from Type 9 Immortality, AE Type 1, and Invisibility.
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So Mind control is Morality Manipulations "Complete Control????" Seems weird to me imo.. but Mind Control seems to fit better i will agree.

I think i fixed your votes...
 
Talking about specifying, I'm actually thinking Post-Mooncell BB should be higher D not in mind, but her existence as well (She fused with the Mooncell's core, which is a Recorded Space, a higher-dimensional place which do not percieve time in a linear fashion, and much clearer explained than Nasuverse higher D)
 
Disagree with invisibility as it's just stealth mastery, Morality should just be Mind Control, yes to AE Type 3, no to Type 9 immortality since it's for avatars only, neutral on Acausality. Everything else is goodie.
 
I'm going to work soon.... I can respond, but I can't do anything related to editing the OP until I get home...
 
I agree with higher dimensional existence, perception manip, memory manip, paralysis, info manip, absorption, telepathy, electricity manipulation, stealth mastery (not invisiblity), corrosion and abstract existence (type 3).
 
I agree with every one of these, except the Invisibility, which I think we are given too little to go about.

Did she sneak around? Did she waltz without care and still remain undetected? How does the Mooncell go about detecting stuff? Can it detect Assassins or servants in spirit form? Etc.

Also Morality Manipulation  Mind Manipulation.
 
I guess Stealth Mastery makes more sense since invisibility is not well explained. So, I am now the stealth mastery is fine only and not to invisibility.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Iffy on Acasuality Type 4. Dunno.
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Want me to put you on disagrees with?? or just keep you off of the list for it??? anyone that was neutral i just kept off. I only put those that seemed to have made up their mind on a decision..
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
But I agree now with Supergenius to Omniscient intelligence.
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Should it stay "SuperGenius likely Nigh-Omniscient" or do you prefer something else?
 
Not sure if this is the proper thread for this but someone should clean up a lot of the Nasu profiles. A lot of them contain redundant information and over all clustered. Take a look at most profiles for the Servants, the intang justification could literally be a link to the scan instead of posting the entire passage on the profile. Titmats is also pretty bad, she has type 5 immortality and Resistance to death manipulation whenever she only needs type 5 as adding Resistance to death manipulation is redundant.
 
She's also missing Authoritues resistances.

Resistance to Death Manip is an effect of another skill, independent of her lack of concept of death, IIRC.
 
Regardless it's still redundant even if it's from another skill. It's the same as a profile having Acausality and Resistance to causality. It just clutters up the profile. I'm gonna start working on sandboxes to reduce the amount of cluster on the profiles, I might be able to deduce the size of the profiles considerably.
 
We are slowly fixing profiles. There are some things that need to be discussed, like what abilities are we putting as "authority abilities" and at the same time resistances, Type 9 Immortality, 2-B/2-A is also being discussed, there is a thread about BB's speed and so on. Those things take some time, but at least this thread is practically over.
 
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