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The purpose of this thread is to show that Dan Watters claim on Lucifer being the Great Darkness should not be as controversial as it seems.
Evidences have already been brought forward in the thread below, but did not address the seeming contradictions, such as the Great Darkness description in...
Profile of Lucifer Morningstar: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer_Morningstar_(DC_Comics)
Profile of Bai Xiaochun: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Bai_Xiaochun_(Eternal_World)
Both is at their peak and fully powered. Who will win?
Hi.
I see there are some misconceptions here, about Death of the Endless' power and influence(mostly related to beings like Lucifer and above). For example, I read here in this page and forum, that she can claim Lucifer Morningstar, because of what he said to Silk Man in the Void:
Silk Man: I...
Both are unrestricted. Thought this was interesting because botha re like top tier demons. (Trigon is so powerful Mar Novu puts him in the same tier as The Spectre, Lucifer is formerly an archangel like Raguel who may or may not be AztarThe Spectre)
Both is at their peak and fully powered
Vertigo Lucifer Morningstar VS EOS Meng Hao
Both are bloodlusted
Battle takes place at endless battle arena
Lose by death
" You have suffered for me to win this throne, and I see how you hate jungle. Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you. "
Talos...
There are some wrong information on Lucifer's page.
1. "Transduality (Transcends The Endless and creation)"
Concepts that The Endless represents are much older than Lucifer.
Yahweh admitted that he was shaped by dreams (Confirmed by Mike Carey).
Death claimed creations and beings that are...
Both tier 1-A
Lucifer makes his presence known in the Macroverse (because that's seemingly the only place where this Pennywise is at his 1-A tier).
Who wins?
Well I was wondering since DC is too far from vertigo, and the new unconsciousness that is in Lucifer's new career asked me can we still climb the old reliable career? they already know perpetually and their children What basically refers to the presence and their children.
or at least Sandman...
"Why do they blame me for all their little failings? They use my name as if I spent my entire days sitting on their shoulders, forcing them to commit acts they would otherwise find repulsive. 'The devil made me do it.' I have never made one of them do anything. Never. They live their own tiny...
there's content on the Lucifer page saying the 2018 Lucifer run is non- canon and a reboot. But the writer himself has said everything before that was written by Holy and Carey happened.
Lucifer is "a fractal figure", as said Dan Watters...
This was bugging me for a while, so might as well get over with it.
So, Lucifer without his Morningstar Power is currently ranked at Massively FTL+, and a quite high degree of it at that, notably because of this feat, where he seemingly processes the entirety of the Universe's 20.000.000.000...
Well fanboys drop the cap and ill give my most honest and unbiased answer.
Answer: Lucifer Morningstar
Explanation : Well here my explanation its quite simple Morningstar is just more powerful. Lucifer to begin with is a archangel and by that it means he predates creation, was responsible for...
I think Vertigo characters' pages need a lot of works and i'll try to help you in this.
Death and Dream must have solid Outerversal ratings.
Dream has enough 1-A feats to be 1-A (which has in his page) and being a primal truth which compose every aspect of The Presence's creation doesn't...
This was something that slipped out my mind. According to Lucifer 2018 we have some new information about Lucifer. When traversing the different pantheons of mythology we stumble upon this:
You see that giant black hand in the background of first pic or the hand that caught the shard in the...
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His argument is that only "God" can keep up with Made In Heaven's speed and Lucifer was made by God so he loses. I tried explaining but he won't listen.
EDIT: Now he's saying that Pucci meant God from the real world so he's above Lucifer. I don't know what to say anymore.
First of all, The Map of DC Creation.
We can see that Bleed and basic universes stay in the one plane of reality, Bleed is innumerable-dimensional space.
The Sphere of Gods transcends the bleed and basic universes, Orion sees them like air bubbles
Superman notes, that SoG is beyond...
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/Ih8V90348g8YOIoIxzkQcPeT03QeF_Q8M2Q9L6Qb1XE1MOqvcEHaD10fAhf_M5E83z8bLS2cQI9j=s1600
Does that mean that there are different versions of Lucifer even though their was supposed to be only 'one' version of him in the multiverse?
The first thing I want to get started is with Lucifer being outside of Destiny. While it does seem that he was able to escape it at the end, Lucifer actually was never completely outside of Destiny. This is proven when he "burned" Destinys book, Destiny still basically knew that exactly that...
Lol I'm getting tired of theards like TLT vs Lucifer/Michael same goes for Beyonder and Mlecule Man its always a 2v1. Let me explain. Marvel Cosmicology isn't quite that of DC. As stated, but debunked the highest it goes before reaching infinte is 16th Demionisal. The thing is back in the...
Spectre amped by Source
Let's start with this version. Spectre got all Source'es power, which has 1-A tier. Spectre has become all creation, including Bleed, which has innumerable spatial dimensions . So, this version should has At least 1-B, likely 1-A tier
About abilities: Omnipresence...
Lucifer is beyond Yahweh's plan and all creation, and he transcends Destiny. Destiny is on the top of Creation, so he transcends it. And he also transcends Perpetua (via this feat ), bcs all creation is part of his book. So, at least: Lucifer>Destiny>Perpetua>Brothers=Baseline 1-A.
And I...
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/ftI4xYzynBv5w0YX7WutRCGU0nvyLvH8YEzV_kAP1qdpowHjUoAUhvfQq96PjqouA7zLLNXCmuc=s1600 Can someone explain this scan to me ? These are different Lucifer of several timelines ?