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Less an official battle between them and more a topic of discussion.
While I have a personal interpretation that the Presence and his sons were the ones responsible for reshaping the DC Multiverse from Perpetua's iteration, it has been on my mind a while how Perpetua might scale. Does she...
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Beyonder_(Pre-Retcon) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lucifer_Morningstar_(DC_Comics)
Speed equalized, if that means anything
Beyonder: 0
Lucifer: 0
I saw in their category list that they have Invulnerability and the thing is that they don't have such power since they could be harmed by Fenris and Lucifer was harmed by Amenadiel in their fight in hell. Could they be removed from that category?
Is the Presence, Lucifer or Michael more powerful than the 1-A Lovecraftian Horrors that the Eldritch Dream mentioned in Sandman Overture?
Or it wouldn't apply?
Now... I know both verses since I read Lucifer's graphic novel and the book about The Maker
What I want is that people debate the result.
In this fight the Creative Mode is used
I thought of "us" with calm interest and a kind of amused anguish.
A man outside the pla
Well, gonna be honest with you:
Since I did this thread I was wondering...
Are there levels of Transduality?
The whole Taikyoku, book shelves in Umineko (from the Witch Senate), Lovecraft's Gates and even Lucifer Morningstar are transdual and yet there are characters "more" trasdual than...
In re-reading a lot of the Lucifer (2000) run to try and revise some of the profiles here on the wiki, I noticed also in the recent conversation about 1-A beings and their True-Godly Regenerationn that there are some issues I have with Lucifer's profile.
Firstly, Lucifer is attributed with...
This is in the profile, yet i cant find a scan anywhere. Can anybody find the scan for lucifer doing this? If so, should it be included on his profile?
Key: Base | Crisis on Infinite Earths | Unbound Spectre
Spectre is only 2-A during Crisis on Infinite Earths while he was powered by the heroes of the entire multiverse. However, we should also add a seperate key for his base form, or non-amplified form.
Attack Potency for Base Spectre:
At...
We have Depowered Lucifer at Low 2-C. But here is the issue, this is contradicted by the abilities listed on his profile.
While he is listed at Low 2-C when depowered, his abilities are not separated by this key. This might lead to some misunderstandings like Depowered Lucifer having True Godly...
From the new Sandman Universe comic that just came out, I found a couple of abilities that belong on Lucifer and Dream's pages that weren't there before.
Lucifer Morningstar was able to seal off Death of the Endless from being able to claim ravens. Those that remain are in limbo after they die...
Just a quick CR I go out
I always feel that The Basanos's At least High 1-B key is kinda redundant, after all when Jill Presto change Mazikeens face, even Lucifer said it would take an enormous amount of his power to undo what she did
That plus The Basanos regenerating after being blasted...
I have long been curious what abilities Depowered Lucifer has, because at present it seems both keys retain the same abilities which means Low 2-C Lucifer has 1-A abilities such as true godly regen and transduality (which he gets for transcending The Endless and creation), of course this seems...
Lucifer faces off against Lord English who threatens to destroy the multiverse.
Fight takes place somewhere in the Furthest Ring.
We all know that Lucifer would dominate English in terms of intelligence and cunning. But about what raw power? Who do you think will win?
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/weakest-thing-that-can-beat-god-from-star-maker.619897/page-5#post-45656689
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/weakest-thing-that-can-beat-god-from-star-maker.619897/page-5#post-45656866
What do you think?
So, I just remembered that when a depowered Lucifer learned that the letter of passage given to him by the Presence was a one way trip , he casted a spell on it so that if the Presence ever close the gate, the rest of Creation would be unmade
Isnt this a High 1-B feat? because the Creation in...
Lucifer Morningstar (DC Comics)
Speed: Massively FTL+ (Faster than other high-level angelic entities, who can fly across the multiverse in minutes or even seconds. Described as having reactions "As near as possible to being instantaneous." Processed the universe's 20,000,000 year history in the...
I/O vs DC. I saw this was a thread before, but was shut down because 1-A threads were banned at the time. Fight takes place beyond dimensions, obviously. Since they are no longer banned, figured it should get a second shot.
a God in the machine
A man outside the pla