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Ultima_Reality

Ultima_Reality

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  • Timeless
    With the recent addition of Self-Reference ENGINE, will/when pages for characters such as Laplace's Demon be added?
    Reiner04
    I'd one question, if each point along timeline has its own fabric of spacetime, then will destroying entire timeline would count as 2b, if the timeline is infinite?
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Oh, wew, that is one late answer. But, regardless: Not really, no. Each point along the time axis by definition is purely 3-dimensional, and as such has no extension into the temporal dimension. It's just a static picture of the universe, pretty much, with 0 duration.
    Reiner04
    Reiner04
    Thanks (. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)
    Jamesthetaker
    Hi there, Ultima. I want to ask a question about how we treated unique cases of higher dimensions.

    Basically, there is a verse that follows the string theory, in which there are 11 overlapping dimensions like membranes. The 11 dimensions are seen as a manifold, and higher dimensions trivialize lower dimensions via R/F Interaction. However, there are alien creatures called Engines that live in one of the 11 dimensions, and they aren't exactly higher-dimensional beings.

    How do we treat the 11 dimensions in this case? Do they still count as legit higher dimensions or do they not because the natives who live there aren't higher beings?
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    Jamesthetaker
    Jamesthetaker
    The clip didn't state that the dimensions were branes or even places. The Human World contains the universe where humans live, not that it's the place itself.

    The clip even shows a manifold space made of those 11 dimensions, which highly suggests the brane theory. Also, the series already portrayed alternative universes with different visuals, so it's unlikely that those dimensions are parallel universes.
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    It very much does. The very first thing said in it is "The world is made up of 11 overlapping dimensions, like membranes," and then we have a little visual of 11 membranes being shown side-by-side, each a different "world."

    Pretty obviously not axes, and the membranes being initially depicted as crumpled together into a sphere does nothing to suggest that this is what they are. All a "manifold" is, also, is a space that's locally flat (In the sense it has the same properties as euclidean space in some given area of it), so, that doesn't even do much to support your argument, either.

    Alternate universes being depicted using different visuals elsewhere would be good to break ambiguity, too, but as it were, there is none here. Everything in that clip points towards those "11 dimensions" not being spatial ones.
    Jamesthetaker
    Jamesthetaker
    Alright then, thank you for your help.
    Sniper670
    Hello. I was wondering about qualifications for getting tier 1A off of Apophatic Theology. Or at least how one can be considered Apophatic, on the wiki.

    Is simply being ineffable/unknowable /incomprehensible enough? I got mixed answers. It's also not mentioned anywhere on the tiering system. And even this, isn't all that clear
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Statements of ineffability or incomprehensibility generally are not enough, no, since to prove such a thing, you'd need the verse to establish that this is an inherent property of the character in question, instead of just some hyperbolic statement that's meant to be talking about how they're hard to grasp (Even 4-dimensional space is visually incomprehensible to us, after all)

    I think the Nasuverse is a good enough example of this. Since it actually goes out of its way to say that the Root always escapes any definitions one attempts to impose on it, which automatically just refer to something apart from, and below the Root itself.
    Sniper670
    Sniper670
    Ah I see. Thanks for the clarification
    Ceoofmemes
    In the TES scaling thread someone posted this:"
    The Leaper King is one of the few primordial spirits that can survive its bite. Implying that many of the Deities disappear into Alduin's mouth. Which is actually very significant, given the physiology of Etda.


    "To which Alduin roared and laughed and said, "King of Leapers, you always bounce up to me around this time (for you are one of the only spirits that can last til my last bite) and shout, 'Wait!', but I never do and I will not now. Leap up to Hrothgaar's top and wait awhile longer in little dignity. The two bells have went 'Gong! Gong!' and that means the kalpa has turned.""
    — The Seven Fights of The Aldudagga"

    I wanted to know if this is at all significant to the scaling of Alduin and the like since it seems to imply Alduin can consume notable deities especially considering later in this same book it states that Mehrunes Dagon is the only Deadline Prince who was willing to bother Alduin.

    "And by turns the snow whale and the dirtbird told the story, and its details, and in his magnificence did Molag Bal know that this was indeed the dream-work of Mehrunes Dagon, his brother of razors, the only Prince who dared trouble the sleep of the dragon-eater, Alduin."
    — The Seven Fights of The Aldudagga
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    I don't know that I'd take the first statement that seriously. By the nature of how the Kalpic Cycle works (The end of each Kalpa is just a return to the Dawn Era, whose "end" then marks the start of a new one), Alduin's eating would have to be restricted to the Mundus, since it's the only place in the Aurbis where time moves linearly while every other realm participates eternally in the untime of the Dawn.

    I do agree that the Aldudagga in particular does treat Alduin as being above the Daedric Princes, though, yes.
    Ceoofmemes
    Ceoofmemes
    Don't know why I never noticed the reply. They also posted this excerpt from the Nords' Totem religion:

    The Dragon, Alduin - Alduin is venerated on the winter solstice by ceremonies at ancient Dragon Cult temples, where offerings are made to keep him asleep for one more year. Alduin is also the source of many common superstitious practices before any event of significance.

    The Dragonborn God, Talos - Talos’ totem is the newest, but is everywhere – he is the Dragonborn Conquering Son, the first new god of this cycle, whose power is consequently unknown, so the Nords bless nearly everything with his totem, since he might very well be the god of it now, too. Yes, as first of the Twilight Gods, this practice might seem contradictory, but that’s only because, of all the gods, he will be the one that survives in whole into the next cycle."
    — The Nords' Totemic Religion

    Though I question the validity of this due to the mention of attempting to keep Alduin asleep wouldn't this also suggest that Alduin eats the divine?
    Nkiratina
    Hello sorry for bothering you, The point is that for a long time I wanted to do the recalculation of the feat of shaking tamriel from Skyrim(As it was discussed in this thread).

    But first I wanted to ask you what measures to use(As you are one of the most knowledgeable of the verse) because as you can see here in the notes, we have 3 measures of Tamriel by the Arena Player's Guide.

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    Nkiratina
    Nkiratina
    Don´t worry for the late answer, I know you are always very bussy and I apreciate that you took the time to answer.

    Anyway I also want to ask other things about the feat(though I may ask this in the calc discussion but I want to ask you first).

    1-What formula should I use? The one of the old blog or the Alternative Method to determine Richter Magnitude from the wiki.

    2- Since we have the value of area(km2), would it be okay to use a circle to find the radius(km)? Or does it not seem right to you?

    3- Do you think we can use it to also calculate the speed of the power of their Voice?

    ​

    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    I looked around and found that we seem to already have a calc that uses the latter method, so, not too sure if a remaking of the original blog is needed at this point. Unless you'd like to try using a different value for the Tamriel's size? (Like I said, the UESP page mentions that other figures exist, but never really specify what they are, exactly, so)

    As for the third question: That'd probably be fine, yeah.
    Nkiratina
    Nkiratina
    Oh in that case I don't think it´s necessary to recalc it.

    Anyway as for the timeframe to the speed, should I consider when the shaking ends("0:10") or when The Greybeards's voice disappears and is no longer heard("0:13")?
    OnsokunoSonic
    Hello, so I heard from a knowledgeable member that infinite dimensional space is automatically H1-B even if it doesn't have R>F difference? The person already done his best to answer my question but I still need more references, so if you have the time, please answer my question, thank you.
    HammerStrikes219
    https://vsbattles.com/threads/everything-beyond-tier-3-is-a-cluster-****.138649/#post-4878323 Need to inform all staff members that knows the Tiering system well and inform @Agnaa
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    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Overdramatic way of informing people about it, but, sure. I'm aware of that thing's existence already.
    HammerStrikes219
    HammerStrikes219
    Yeah, I know, but let’s been honest we saw this thing coming a mile away
    HammerStrikes219
    HammerStrikes219
    Removed two replies on this message wall since the main topic was about the thread I linked on this wall.
    Sorry about that as I end up confusing myself for doing it.

    Blame my own impulses for that one.
    Event_Horizon
    Hi, I was wondering if you were ever planning on a part 2 to your Cthulhu Mythos Revisions thread? The current "1.5" thread could have some interesting points you could include as well.
    Frxwins
    can i ask something. I started trying to learn about tier 2 and above, then I read about the tiering system above tier 2, namely l1c, it says there if l1c is likened to a 5D structure, the question is can I get the l1c cosmo without being described as having a world with a 5D structure? is the mention of going beyond the 2A structure enough to get into l1c?
    Fixxed
    Hello sir, i have one question. If there are infinite size branch, and the 4D universe are sit or being embeded on it surface. Are the branch can have low 1C structure??? Because it is infinitely larger than the 4D universe
    Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
    Sorry to ask, but I just want to make sure. Does this wiki accept non-compactified brane worlds as at least low 2-C by default due to the 'bulk' of these worlds acting as an infinite higher-dimensional space? And does the bulk make the physical 3D space of the world irrelevant (ie; An island-sized brane world is still low 2-C due to the bulk)? That's my understanding of it, at least.
    Ultima_Reality
    Ultima_Reality
    Not really, no. Branes are just a mathematical object like any other, and they can be of any dimensionality or size (A quick google search will tell you that 1-dimensional strings are also branes, for instance, while our universe is posited to be a 3-brane in some contexts)

    Them being embedded in a larger space of a higher dimensionality (The bulk) doesn't have any impact on that at all.
    Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
    Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
    Alright then. And the bulk by itself would still qualify for a higher tier, if it embeds a 3D space, right?
    RALFdoang
    Hello Ultima, pardon me. I wanna ask something.

    Why do we use "Seperable Hausdorf" as the limitation between Low 1-A and 1A??
    Dinoanime7
    You may not see this but I did find something interesting about Alduin.

    The Dragonborn God, Talos

    Talos’ totem is the newest, but is everywhere – he is the Dragonborn Conquering Son, the first new god of this cycle, whose power is consequently unknown, so the Nords bless nearly everything with his totem, since he might very well be the god of it now, too. Yes, as first of the Twilight Gods, this practice might seem contradictory, but that’s only because, of all the gods, he will be the one that survives in whole into the next cycle.

    This was from Excerpt from the Skyrim Design Document.
    speedster352
    Hi, Byashura said that he is busy and has given up on the crts. Could you please add the abilities since they have been agreed upon by mods as well? here and here. It would be greatly appreciated and it will close these crts that have been ongoing for weeks. Thanks
    Bobsican
    Gotta politely ask you the favor to post some thoughts on this. Ant and Cal are currently leaning against, but I think it may also be counterproductive for the indexing of some other series you've contributed to before, so I'd appreciate if you could go there.
    Bobsican
    Bobsican
    Bump. Hopefully you can help on this small detail left on the CRT when you have the time.
    KongKing23
    How is the progress of TES lore big revision?

    I personally support the upgrades of Alduin, Dovahkiin, Miraak but I am against changing the information regard to Vestige, Celestials and Barbas even Vivec's speed. As Matthew has said, ESO stuffs.

    I am divisive on Jagar Tharn's dimensional creation feat. I feel that it should remain there, while I am okay at not comparing mortal mooks with the power of a Giant's club except for a few exceptional individuals like Lyris Titanborn, Aela the Huntress, Delphine, Sai Sahan, and other exceptionally skilled mortals.
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