Megaraptor149
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Yeah, youre right. We should not out of topic about discussion
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The Self-Reference Engine Introduction Thread (Actually a cosmology discussion)
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Cat275
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Should be High 1-A if we use (R>F 1a+=H1A)
But if we use inaccessible as a reference point it would be stricter and would probably still be 1a.
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That also applies to mathemathics nerds so meh
CosmicWreck
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No one here called themselves or were referred to as an intellectual, pseudo or otherwise. Following a limited system made to describe fiction, a usually illogical construct in itself, is not indicative or contradictory to any supposed level of intelligence and thinking otherwise is a laughable idea as well as mind boggling tbh.
Something that literally every versus community has done in the history of ever. Even OBD and comicvine, with much looser systems of ratings, do not use 'lol descriptions' as supportive evidence for anything because it is vague and used for literally anything that doesn't conform to the usual laws of physics in media. I don't understand why you're pretending to think Vsbattles is in anyway special in this area.
Try to use a feat like Giratina's distortion world being called incomprehensible or even vague eldritch descriptions of characters as an indication of literally any range of power anywhere. If you are not laughed off that site I will salute you.
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Darksmash
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It's not like mathematics is the exact opposite of mysticism or anything kek.
I didn't say anyone called themselves an intellectual. You probably missed the point of my joke.
I have rarely seen people using "Bro character X is beyond language" arguments. Most communities just use different methods of quantifying cosmologies and haxes, and most such systems are usually within human comprehension.
I have no clue what you are talking about here. Tier 0's definition is literally being considered for a change to stuff like being literally beyond description. So yes vswiki is special here.
Trust me I am the last person you will see using such arguments.
CosmicWreck
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I'm sorry, that did sound too accusatory. I merely meant that no one was really treating this debate like an intellectual discussion. Or at least, no more than the curiosity of determining 'whose stronker'. The joke kind of came out of left field.
That's kind of my point. Vsbattles is not exactly unique in this regard.
Er, I agree that tier 0 is incredibly vague but what you're stating has never been implemented into the wiki, or at least in recent history.
Tier 0 is the exception only in the fact that it has no technical upper limit so logically this is possible but no such entity currently exists on the wiki.
Tier 0 is currently treated as just like any other rating and has several reference points in verse as well as in relation to how we rate things.
Usually it is just in relation to High 1-A characters. Since comparisons are still being made these tier 0 entities thus logically cannot be beyond comprehension in the manner in which you mean.
Otherwise, as in the case of the now downgraded downstreamers, this tier can be reached mathematically. Woodin cardinals are agreed to be the starting point of tier 0 in that upgrade thread iirc. Also, since mathematics even includes things so large that even logic breaks down, the terminology has to be ridiculously explicit and specific to be beyond description in any quantifiable sense because what you're proposing sounds too close to meaninglessness, something our omnipotence page disagrees with on principle.
Long story short beyond definition is like omnipotence. It can be a supporting evidence for that tier but it means nothing by itself. Technically we even use it as supporting evidence for High 1-A ratings. I can just as easily slap both statements on a low 2-C entity and it wouldn't matter. At all. Since Low 2-C entities also have these statements.
Absolutely. High 1-A and tier 0 annoy me simply because a lot of the information regarding these tiers are not referenced anywhere that they should be. It's bs that newcomers have to ask questions about this stuff or scour the site for every scrap of information to explain why they are currently not being used in the way that they're explained to be. It honestly doesn't help the fact that the people who made this thing are kind of busy and don't have the time to help out every person whose scratching their heads over this stuff.
I honestly think I should make a thread about it because as much as I love cosmic stuff, I actually don't want to be spending my time explaining this stuff so often and so unnecessarily.
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Jibz
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true, though the starting point for tier 0's are mahlo cardinals unless im misinterpreting something here.
Nu-0 hasn't even been properly constructed so i find this rather mute. Hell i make jokes all the time saying it'll never come out because of it. Afaik it'll be like something akin to apophatic theology in that regard.
Why explain an outdated tier that's probably getting changed sometime in this millennium (hopefully), jokes aside, i'd rather an updated tier 0 rather than a more explained version.
Would be an entertaining read so id like for you to make one.
Cat275
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Uhh did you read my comment correctly? People here uses r>f 1a+=high1a so i already indicated that's the case if you use it but if you use inaccessible as a reference so the new scale or requirement for high1a bassically then it would still be 1a.
(Just to clarify i use the current High1a requirement.)
Cat275
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Uhh no it's actually strong mahlo.
Agreed.
Do what you do i guess.
ricatthegoat
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my bad but is there a cheaper place where I can buy the book?I'm kinda scared downloading the pirated file
Jibz
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why u scared of downloading a pirated copy, IRS aint going to come to your house bro. Just use a vpn if ur worried about ur internet service provider finding out.
ricatthegoat
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Im scared about some viruses lul
Jibz
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u dont have antivirus/virus scanners?
Megaraptor149
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You can buy it in Amazon.
Anyway this thread discuss about Cosmology is not relevant lol talk about piracy download what
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KakarotGoku
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Alright im still kinda new (just joined a few hours ago actually.) but with the current standard of the wiki isn't this verse a clear 1a?
Cat275
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Yes by current standards of the wiki this verse is indeed only 1a it seems.
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so what is being agreed?
Megaraptor149
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Need input staff who really knowledge about tier 0 stuff
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Not to fond of all the pseud shit going on in this thread ong
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I can because I'm a hypocrite.
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Cat275
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Can't you contact one yourself?
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