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Calc Stacking in Tokyo Revengers

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ElajRuengies said:
Not to be rude, but that's because Tokyo Revengers can be classified as a Calc Group Biohazard in terms of pain in handling. The calcs are highballed at best and incoherent at worse, and the folk who calc them are willing to argue for weeks if not months.

Simply not worth dealing with for anyone who properly values their time.
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I have never seen a TR debate last for weeks let alone months lol wtf
 
Zefra3011 said:
2,4 m / 0,08 = 25 m/s (peak human reaction which hanma doesn't have) im no longer reply to this because we will go out of topic
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2.8 / 0.08 = 35 m/s, also the kick Mikey landed on Hanma is up for debate as it is percieved as breaking the sound barrier by multiple people
 
Syncornize said:
How do you think leg KOs happen in kick boxing matches or similar sports?
If you try to do a calc, it will never come out FTE
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Kick knockouts usually happen when the opponent is attempting to throw a punch or grapple which means there not focusing properly, plus these knockouts usually don't move their legs 360 degrees to bring there opponent to the ground with there leg, these are very different things especially since Hanma could beat every single living UFC fighter to death with a punch
 
Vapourrrrr said:
Kick knockouts usually happen when the opponent is attempting to throw a punch or grapple which means there not focusing properly, plus these knockouts usually don't move their legs 360 degrees to bring there opponent to the ground with there leg, these are very different things especially since Hanma could beat every single living UFC fighter to death with a punch
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What you are describing is called an encounter hit and as you said it does not always happen. You can be hit even when 'stationary' without being able to react, if you watch a couple of matches you will see that it can happen
 
Vapourrrrr said:
Kick knockouts usually happen when the opponent is attempting to throw a punch or grapple which means there not focusing properly, plus these knockouts usually don't move their legs 360 degrees to bring there opponent to the ground with there leg, these are very different things especially since Hanma could beat every single living UFC fighter to death with a punch
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Nah, I disagree with this.

FTE is like being so fast that your opponent doesn't even realize. I support "Yu the Boxer" verse and if I remember, there was a discussion for making most of the boxers subsonic in general. But the verse itself mentions "A boxer's punch is very fast that you cannot react to it.". And it is true. Normal human attacks cannot be reacted to (but the person would at least process the punch images and realize that he has been punched). FTE means your opponent doesn't realize they have been attacked. Examples from the same verse would be Mikey kicking Taiju where Takemichi himself said that Taiju "disappeared", and Angry blitzing Haitani bros where Ran couldn't take track of Angry.

And a kick can be countered with similar reasons.
 
Syncornize said:
What you are describing is called an encounter hit and as you said it does not always happen. You can be hit even when 'stationary' without being able to react, if you watch a couple of matches you will see that it can happen
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I watch a good amount of UFC, send me an example of a fighter staring at another fighter and then getting kicked to the head, also make sure the kick moves a full 360, I doubt you could find one
 
RoggerReggor said:
Nah, I disagree with this.

FTE is like being so fast that your opponent doesn't even realize. I support "Yu the Boxer" verse and if I remember, there was a discussion for making most of the boxers subsonic in general. But the verse itself mentions "A boxer's punch is very fast that you cannot react to it.". And it is true. Normal human attacks cannot be reacted to (but the person would at least process the punch images and realize that he has been punched). FTE means your opponent doesn't realize they have been attacked. Examples from the same verse would be Mikey kicking Taiju where Takemichi himself said that Taiju "disappeared", and Angry blitzing Haitani bros where Ran couldn't take track of Angry.

And a kick can be countered with similar reasons.
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2.8 / 0.08 = 35 m/s, this is the calc of Mikey's kick against Hanma (this could of course be above 343 m/s since it could be assumed he broke the sound barrier)
 
Vapourrrrr said:
2.8 / 0.08 = 35 m/s, this is the calc of Mikey's kick against Hanma (this could of course be above 343 m/s since it could be assumed he broke the sound barrier)
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im sure the distance is wrong and hanma has athletic reaction at best

the complete C of a Mikey kick is around 4,8 m so the half is 2,4
 
Ngl but I have seen various people debate with verse supporters on YouTube and actually prove the verse to be subsonic at best with various scans. Leaving that aside, there are people who put the verse to be at above hypersonic levels, basically higher than the level where the verse currently stands.
ElajRuengies said:
Not to be rude, but that's because Tokyo Revengers can be classified as a Calc Group Biohazard in terms of pain in handling.
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So I can agree with this lol.

My personal opinion is that the verse can have Mikey at around hypersonic levels, leaving other characters at supersonic+ or somewhere.
 
Zefra3011 said:
I said at first hanma doesn't have it also the leg looks to long with body proportion is 76 cm
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With 76 cm and 180deg or 3.1415926535 rad, it would be 3.1415926535*0.76 = 2.38761042 m.

With athletic perception (0.13 seconds), it would be 2.38761042/0.13 = 18.366234 m/s (Superhuman) for speed, possibly transonic because a loud thud can be heard after the kick?
 
RoggerReggor said:
With 76 cm and 180deg or 3.1415926535 rad, it would be 3.1415926535*0.76 = 2.38761042 m.

With athletic perception (0.13 seconds), it would be 2.38761042/0.13 = 18.366234 m/s (Superhuman) for speed, possibly transonic because a loud thud can be heard after the kick?
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in the manga there are no evidences for that kind of sound is just how the anime adapted it, the only way you can wank a sonic boom is with taiju but a dull sound isn't a sonic boom yk
 
Zefra3011 said:
in the manga there are no evidences for that kind of sound is just how the anime adapted it, the only way you can wank a sonic boom is with taiju but a dull sound isn't a sonic boom yk
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Yeah, "dull sound" definitely isn't a sonic boom. The anime overwanks it to "loud thud" rofl.
 
Vapourrrrr said:
I watch a good amount of UFC, send me an example of a fighter staring at another fighter and then getting kicked to the head, also make sure the kick moves a full 360, I doubt you could find one
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You are taking as an example the Taiju kick, a type of kick I did not even mention, I talked spread of the other kicks without dark impulses.This is not the first strawman you have made me
 
Vapourrrrr said:
Im talking about the Hanma kick, I've made it very clear
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He had drak impulses, and there is no point in calculating it as 360 degrees, is a normal high kick so at most you count the initial distance between Mikey's leg and Hanma's face. Unlike the Taiju kick, isn’t stated : “he disappears” , so I do not see why it should be considered the Hanma FTE kick. Even if it were, it would be FTE with Drak impulse, not in base
 
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CorbinMLG said:
The time frame in the Takemichi calculations is fine because Takemichi can't perceive Mikey's kicks and can only dodge thanks to his Evolved Foresight. Additionally, Mikey's kicks are also blurry.

The umbrella calculation is fine because Senju's arm is blurry from a bunch of meters away from the point of view which is without a doubt faster than eye. It's also too quick for South to properly see, and no, he didn't turn towards Senju after she threw the umbrella but before it.
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Bringing these up again.
 
Syncornize said:
He had drak impulses, and there is no point in calculating it as 360 degrees, is a normal high kick so at most you count the initial distance between Mikey's leg and Hanma's face. Unlike the Taiju kick, isn’t stated : “he disappears” , so I do not see why it should be considered the Hanma FTE kick. Even if it were, it would be FTE with Drak impulse, not in base
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That was not DI... What are you talking about, its not a normal high kick Mikey went from the ground to Hanma's head to the ground again which makes it a 360, for something to be FTE, people don't have to say he disappeared, stop being dumb
 
CorbinMLG said:
The umbrella calculation is fine because Senju's arm is blurry from a bunch of meters away from the point of view which is without a doubt faster than eye.
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No. I just did that with a mirror by standing on the other side of the room and moving my arm side to side.

Limbs being a bit blurry is not sufficient.
 
Vapourrrrr said:
people don't have to say he disappeared, stop being dumb
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According to the wiki norms, they have to at least state something a person who cannot realize that he has been attacked would say. Reactions aren't reliable most of the times. Though I know that these characters are casually FTE, but much worse is the thing that there's no definitive evidence. If there's none, you can do nothing.
 
Agnaa said:
No. I just did that with a mirror by standing on the other side of the room and moving my arm side to side.

Limbs being a bit blurry is not sufficient.
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Her limbs weren’t “a bit blurry” they were so blurry to the point you couldn’t recognise them

also it would be better to watch someone else do it since focusing on two things at once changes the results
 
Vapourrrrr said:
Her limbs weren’t “a bit blurry” they were so blurry to the point you couldn’t recognise them

also it would be better to watch someone else do it since focusing on two things at once changes the results
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I guess if her limbs were "that" blurry. Then that should mean the author intended to keep them FTE for even the reader? I can be very wrong though.
 
Agnaa said:
No. I just did that with a mirror by standing on the other side of the room and moving my arm side to side.

Limbs being a bit blurry is not sufficient.
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Character: Agnaa

Speed: Immobile most of the times (Would sit on the computer table for most of the day to evaluate calcs), Subsonic (Made his hand go "blurry" by waving it against a mirror.)

Jokes aside, what can be the definitive proof for an FTE calc? Like character statements are the most definitive, but can't you take visual information stated in the manga panels bruh?
 
RoggerReggor said:
Character: Agnaa

Speed: Immobile most of the times (Would sit on the computer table for most of the day to evaluate calcs), Subsonic (Made his hand go "blurry" by waving it against a mirror.)

Jokes aside, what can be the definitive proof for an FTE calc? Like character statements are the most definitive, but can't you take visual information stated in the manga panels bruh?
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This is what I'm trying to know too
 
Agnaa said:
Literally disappearing, or appearing in multiple places at once.
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Thanks for the reference, that helps for now.
KntolRicat said:
The umbrella running at fte speed is just doesn't make sense. just the same as ishiki throwing an iron rod.
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A character like Ishiki (literal FTL) can be argued to not be FTE, this is still a supersonic+ verse. Ngl but I am now convinced that everyone going against the thread objective is basically playing an already lost game for now.
 
Vapourrrrr said:
That was not DI... What are you talking about, its not a normal high kick Mikey went from the ground to Hanma's head to the ground again which makes it a 360, for something to be FTE, people don't have to say he disappeared, stop being dumb
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Yes, it is. They even explain it in the manga. You are literally assuming that the entire transit of the kick is not seen. To take the kick without reacting you have to calculate the distance between the start of the blow and the point of impact, without a statment or evidence calculating the next part is an assumption.
 
RoggerReggor said:
Character: Agnaa

Speed: Immobile most of the times (Would sit on the computer table for most of the day to evaluate calcs), Subsonic (Made his hand go "blurry" by waving it against a mirror.)

Jokes aside, what can be the definitive proof for an FTE calc? Like character statements are the most definitive, but can't you take visual information stated in the manga panels bruh?
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I choked on water because of you🖕(Free the goat Agnaa)
 
Vapourrrrr said:
That was not DI... What are you talking about, its not a normal high kick Mikey went from the ground to Hanma's head to the ground again which makes it a 360, for something to be FTE, people don't have to say he disappeared, stop being dumb
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However, the fact remains that using FTE speed is calc stacking, the page in this wiki speaks for itself and agrees with me, so I see no reason to stand here arguing about FTE feats.
 
RoggerReggor said:
Hasn't DI like, awakened before the final arc and in the previous timelines too?
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we also saw it in valhalla, when Mikey was being beat he awakened it and like no diffed everyone and brutally hit kazutora, at first of course we couldn't know but even in the final arc they explained that it already appear in that scenario, you can argue that he was in that state even against Taiju but if yes only a bit he could still control himself, in the last arc he only was at his 100% because Draken was the last one who was the closest to Mikey and each time someone died (sinichiro, baji, emma, izana and draken) the DI only got worse so he always had them since Sinichiro death but he could keep control over them
 
RoggerReggor said:
Thanks for the reference, that helps for now.

A character like Ishiki (literal FTL) can be argued to not be FTE, this is still a supersonic+ verse. Ngl but I am now convinced that everyone going against the thread objective is basically playing an already lost game for now.
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i mean the same application. using the character speed for the iron rod
 
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