Calc Stacking in Tokyo Revengers

[Vapourrrrr]

Yeah but which of these is above superhuman in SPEED

LITERALLY THE FIRST DOT POINT

 

[RoggerReggor]

When did I mention anything like that?

I just thought that because a lot of people "downgrade" the verse upon that, while they should be only used for normal purposes lol. But no problem about that thing.

 

[Syncornize]

Dude, if you can move your body so fast you create an after image, and if you can move so fast that your ARM not your hand from multiple metres away turns into a blur I will no longer debate

I hate the "hand" argument because you move it close to your eye and its also a small surface, a human can't possibly move there WHOLE arm so fast it creates motion blurr, stupid argument imo

I'm talking about Mikey's feats on people like Osanai. The topic discussed at the time was that....

 

[Zefra3011]

That guy has a Mikey PFP. Not like it matters anyways.

Mikey is in my top 5 favourite characters with Takemichi and tr is my favourite manga but yeah it's doesn't matter

 

[Agnaa]

I don't get the big problem here

A javeline throw is 31.3 m/s, why is it so hard for you guys to wrap your head around the fact that Senju, a superhuman character can't throw 3 m/s faster then an athlete who isn't superhuman...

Javelins don't have canopies that make them slow down.

 

[Vapourrrrr]

I'm talking about Mikey's feats on people like Osanai. The topic discussed at the time was that....

Well you weren't specific, I can't keep thinking about the fact that you guys think creating motion blur with your whole arm is possible, and I can't believe you think making after images is capable and achievable by humans

 

[RoggerReggor]

Yeah but which of these is above superhuman in SPEED

Exactly. There are no FTE feats before the final arc where literally everyone except normal deliquents is likely FTE lol.

The only "confirmed" FTE feats which I remember before them are:

• Mikey kicking Hanma (clearly FTE).
• Mikey kicking Taiju (clearly FTE).

Other ones basically are upon characters' reactions so they might not seem promising.

But I personally think the normal delinquents' reactions should do fine ngl.

 

[Vapourrrrr]

Exactly. There are no FTE feats before the final arc where literally everyone except is likely FTE lol.

The only "confirmed" FTE feats which I remember before them are:

• Mikey kicking Hanma (clearly FTE).
• Mikey kicking Taiju (clearly FTE).

Other ones basically are upon characters' reactions so they might not seem promising.

But I personally think the normal delinquents' reactions should do fine ngl.

there is multiple, do I really have to name EVERY SINGLE FTE feat

 

[RoggerReggor]

there is multiple, do I really have to name EVERY SINGLE FTE feat

Well....
yes. That is, if you want the verse to still be where it currently is. Because I am currently not on my regular device where I can capture manga panels.

 

[RoggerReggor]

Javelins don't have canopies that make them slow down.

That's sensible.

 

[Vapourrrrr]

which shows that a speed of at least 60 miles per hour (97 kilometres per hour) is the amount needed to throw the paper plane (26 m/s), its not unsuitable to assume a superhuman like Senju could throw 8 m/s faster then that, I'm sure there's better examples though

 

[RoggerReggor]

which shows that a speed of at least 60 miles per hour (97 kilometres per hour) is the amount needed to throw the paper plane (26 m/s), its not unsuitable to assume a superhuman like Senju could throw 8 m/s faster then that, I'm sure there's better examples though

I agree but I am pretty sure people wouldn't agree.

 

[Zefra3011]

Exactly. There are no FTE feats before the final arc where literally everyone except normal deliquents is likely FTE lol.

The only "confirmed" FTE feats which I remember before them are:

• Mikey kicking Hanma (clearly FTE).
• Mikey kicking Taiju (clearly FTE).

Other ones basically are upon characters' reactions so they might not seem promising.

But I personally think the normal delinquents' reactions should do fine ngl.

against hanma is only superhuman, he just blizt a human with his guard off, the calc is like 2,4 m / 0,2 s=12 m/s, is barely 24 m/s with peak human reaction I don't see why the "clearly FTE"

 

[Syncornize]

Well you weren't specific, I can't keep thinking about the fact that you guys think creating motion blur with your whole arm is possible, and I can't believe you think making after images is capable and achievable by humans

Is it a simple drawing/visual effect that indicates the movement of the throw? You are fleecing every single thing to try and bring it up. Taking it from a realistic point of view the argument is a mess drawn over the hands.

 

[Zefra3011]

LITERALLY THE FIRST DOT POINT

the instant is assumed but sure

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Javelins don't have canopies that make them slow down.

I calculated the distance between the tip of the umbrella and senju to be approximately 1.68 metres, and if we take into account that her arm was all spread out the distance would be like 1.2m.
Would the velocity decrease drastically?
Baseline peak and superhuman speeds are too underwhelming.

 

[Syncornize]

find it a bit ridiculous that a subsonic umbrella is mentioned in a thread

 

[RoggerReggor]

Can we get the speed through this?:

Heavyweight boxers (can be classified as peak humans) can deliver a punch of around 2000 Joules.

The mass of an umbrella can be 15 ounces = 0.42524285 kg.

So, the velocity of the umbrella be sqrt[(2000)/(0.5*0.42524285)] = 96.9865443 m/s.

Though a punch isn't comparable to a throw, Senju should be able to at least expend this much energy.

 

[Agnaa]

I calculated the distance between the tip of the umbrella and senju to be approximately 1.68 metres, and if we take into account that her arm was all spread out the distance would be like 1.2m.
Would the velocity decrease drastically?
Baseline peak and superhuman speeds are too underwhelming.

It seems plausible enough to knock it down, like, 10-20%, which would make the javelin comparison kinda suck, but idrk, I'm just guessing here.

Can we get the speed through this?:

Naw, we're not allowed to get speed through KE. And that ignores air resistance, which is fairly relevant here.

 

[Vapourrrrr]

Well....
yes. That is, if you want the verse to still be where it currently is. Because I am currently not on my regular device where I can capture manga panels.

1. Draken beats 10 people in an instant
2. Angry moving faster then Ran could see
3. Mikey Kicks Taiju
4. Mikey kicks Hanma
5. Kakucho blitzes Angry, Chifuyu and Inui
6. Mikey creates after images punching Izana
7. Kakucho disarms Izana faster then he can react
these are off the top of my head, I'm sure I can find more

 

[Vapourrrrr]

find it a bit ridiculous that a subsonic umbrella is mentioned in a thread

Were talking about superhumans here bud not random delinquents you would find on the streets

 

[Zefra3011]

1. Draken beats 10 people in an instant
2. Angry moving faster then Ran could see
3. Mikey Kicks Taiju
4. Mikey kicks Hanma
5. Kakucho blitzes Angry, Chifuyu and Inui
6. Mikey creates after images punching Izana
7. Kakucho disarms Izana faster then he can react
these are off the top of my head, I'm sure I can find more

1. "the instant" is assumed + he beat multiple at time and, if im not wrong, we literally see them react and please don't tell me even randoms in tr are subsonic pls
2. yeah that's subsonic and I already mentioned it
3. already mentioned
5. is subsonic only because of the relativity with angry
6. we already discussed about this
7. are you saying tenjiku kakucho can blitz izana?

 

[RoggerReggor]

1. Draken beats 10 people in an instant
2. Angry moving faster then Ran could see
3. Mikey Kicks Taiju
4. Mikey kicks Hanma
5. Kakucho blitzes Angry, Chifuyu and Inui
6. Mikey creates after images punching Izana
7. Kakucho disarms Izana faster then he can react
these are off the top of my head, I'm sure I can find more

@Zefra3011 sorry...

 

[Zefra3011]

@Zefra3011 sorry...

don't worry, anyway I was talking about the feats in the first acts in fact to get valid ones he had to go to tenjiku and black dragon this kinda proves hanma and osanai are peak human in speed if we want to wank

Anyway it doesn't bother me if you tag me

 

[First_Witch]

@Agnaa Ya think the verse should be put under staff discussion for its issues? Its alarming that multiple Calc members have publicly announcend that they outright refuse to participate, this dosnt bode well for the verse future wellbeing

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

It seems plausible enough to knock it down, like, 10-20%, which would make the javelin comparison kinda suck, but idrk, I'm just guessing here.

Naw, we're not allowed to get speed through KE. And that ignores air resistance, which is fairly relevant here.

According to this source, the speed of javelin is 113km/h or 31.389m/s.

So if it decreases by 10% it'd be 31.389÷100×90= 28.2501m/s.

Would this be usable?

 

[Vapourrrrr]

1. "the instant" is assumed + he beat multiple at time and, if im not wrong, we literally see them react and please don't tell me even randoms in tr are subsonic pls
2. yeah that's subsonic and I already mentioned it
3. already mentioned
5. is subsonic only because of the relativity with angry
6. we already discussed about this
7. are you saying tenjiku kakucho can blitz izana?

1. It isn't assumed, a delinquent literally said "HE BLASTED 10 GUYS IN AN INSTANT"
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6. No we didn't, creating an after image isn't achievable by a human, stop being dumb especially a full arm after image, stop using that poor excuse "BuT My HaNd" I just debunked it and why its different
7. Tenjiku Kakucho can more then likely blitz a tired and fatigued Izana who is still superhuman by all means

 

[Agnaa]

According to this source, the speed of javelin is 113km/h or 31.389m/s.

So if it decreases by 10% it'd be 31.389÷100×90= 28.2501m/s.

Would this be usable?

I don't like pulling those sorts of things outta thin air. I'd really just rather find some source of someone throwing an umbrella.

 

[Vapourrrrr]

don't worry, anyway I was talking about the feats in the first acts in fact to get valid ones he had to go to tenjiku and black dragon this kinda proves hanma and osanai are peak human in speed if we want to wank

Anyway it doesn't bother me if you tag me

Peak human in what arc, WHAT THE FACK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, Hanma is relative and equal to Draken who is supersonic+, this isn't hard to realise

 

[Zefra3011]

1. It isn't assumed, a delinquent literally said "HE BLASTED 10 GUYS IN AN INSTANT"
2. ...
3. ...
4. ...
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6. No we didn't, creating an after image isn't achievable by a human, stop being dumb especially a full arm after image, stop using that poor excuse "BuT My HaNd" I just debunked it and why its different
7. Tenjiku Kakucho can more then likely blitz a tired and fatigued Izana who is still superhuman by all means

1. he litterally ko many people with a single hit, also an istant can be even 1 sec it just suggest that not much time passed
6. if you link to think that
7. bruh

 

[Zefra3011]

Peak human in what arc, WHAT THE FACK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, Hanma is relative and equal to Draken who is supersonic+, this isn't hard to realise

draken is supersonic+ in valhalla arc? was he even peak human in speed?

 

[Syncornize]

1. Draken beats 10 people in an instant
2. Angry moving faster then Ran could see
3. Mikey Kicks Taiju
4. Mikey kicks Hanma
5. Kakucho blitzes Angry, Chifuyu and Inui
6. Mikey creates after images punching Izana
7. Kakucho disarms Izana faster then he can react
these are off the top of my head, I'm sure I can find more

Thanks to the first point you mentioned kid Ayanokoji would be arguable FTE, Draken overwhelms and hits the people around him, it's a feat of strength and skill, I don't find the sense that it's a feat FTE, as if he did it in a thousandth of a second . Point 7 frets that Kakucho can bliz Izana. In point 4 I think you mean when Mikey "blitzes" Hanma but he managed to do it thanks to Dark inmpulses

 

[Vapourrrrr]

1. he litterally ko many people with a single hit, also an istant can be even 1 sec it just suggest that not much time passed
6. if you link to think that
7. bruh

1. An instant should be percieved as FTE
6. I don't like to think that its a fact, there is no need to think about something so simple
7. "bruh" isn't an answer

 

[Vapourrrrr]

Thanks to the first point you mentioned kid Ayanokoji would be arguable FTE, Draken overwhelms and hits the pearls around him, it's a feat of strength and skill, I don't find the sense that it's a feat FTE, as if he did it in a thousandth of a second . Point 7 frets that Kakucho can blizzard Izana. In point 4 I think you mean when Mikey "blitzes" Hanma but he managed to do it thanks to Dark inmpulses

Who cares about Ayanokoji ? This is TR, How is beating 7 people in an instant a strength and skill feat, Mikey blitzed Hanma in valhalla arc so I have no idea what your talking about

 

[Zefra3011]

1. An instant should be percieved as FTE
6. I don't like to think that its a fact, there is no need to think about something so simple
7. "bruh" isn't an answer

1. what no?
6.you are saying it's self evident and im saying ti self evident the opposite we have to repeat the sam things?
7. not even "...."

 

[Zefra3011]

Anyway I feel like we won't go anywhere like this, we should just do as Agnaa suggested and double check calc by calc by starting with the speed section since the main issues are there

 

[Syncornize]

Who cares about Ayanokoji ? This is TR, How is beating 7 people in an instant a strength and skill feat, Mikey blitzed Hanma in valhalla arc so I have no idea what your talking about

The comparison served to emphasise the nonsense. It has been explained to you by multiple people several times that hitting a person without them beh in able to faide their guard is not an FTE feat.(Mikey hit Hanma thanks to the amp stats which doesn't make you FTE). If I have multiple people around me and with 1 single hit I blow them away is that FTE? Absolutely not, they were simply in my range, if I am strong enough with a single hit I can knock out more people.

 

[ElajRuengies]

@Agnaa Ya think the verse should be put under staff discussion for its issues? Its alarming that multiple Calc members have publicly announcend that they outright refuse to participate, this dosnt bode well for the verse future wellbeing

Not to be rude, but that's because Tokyo Revengers can be classified as a Calc Group Biohazard in terms of pain in handling. The calcs are highballed at best and incoherent at worse, and the folk who calc them are willing to argue for weeks if not months.

Simply not worth dealing with for anyone who properly values their time.

 

[Vapourrrrr]

1. what no?
6.you are saying it's self evident and im saying ti self evident the opposite we have to repeat the sam things?
7. not even "...."

Yes, Idk what you think an instant means but IMO its faster then you can blink
What are you talking about, you cant create a full body after image dude

 

[Vapourrrrr]

The comparison served to emphasise the nonsense. It has been explained to you by multiple people several times that hitting a person without them beh in able to faide their guard is not an FTE feat.(Mikey hit Hanma thanks to the amp stats which doesn't make you FTE). If I have multiple people around me and with 1 single hit I blow them away is that FTE? Absolutely not, they were simply in my range, if I am strong enough with a single hit I can knock out more people.

If you are able to kick someone ( move your leg to their head ) before they can react you ARE FTE its not a debate, stop acting like its not