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Ultima_Reality
Ultima_Reality
I can give you a layout, sure. Though, do you want to do this here, or elsewhere? I wager that a real-time discussion would be much quicker and more convenient for both of us.
Elizio33
Elizio33
I don't mind to do this here. :)
Ultima_Reality
Ultima_Reality
Alright, then:

Basically, Marvel's cosmology ended up being mostly composite by virtue of the lack of the kind of glaring inconsistencies that led to DC being split. Although even then, it isn't totally composite either, as Starlin's recent writings were ultimately agreed to not fit with the rest of the normal cosmology and ended up being split off from it.

And ontop of that, the verse provides an actual mechanism for its own variations in the form of the One Above All being an author entity operating on a meta-narrative level and canonically writing all of the verse into existence. And in the context of that, Marvel acknowledges its own fluid nature: Vision, for example, tells Nyx that the House of Ideas doesn't work on rules, but on the principles of "flying" (Pure freedom of thought) and "imagination." And during Defenders: Beyond #5, characters from before the release of Fantastic Four #1 are described as creatures of the "pre-creation" (Because they are from before the Marvel Universe being properly established) which again tells us that the cosmology is viewed from a metafictional perspective where the different continuities are seen linearly.

And then there is, of course, Kubik's explanation on how the universe is "plastic" and recursive, and there may be several different answers to a single question, because reality is a mosaic of pure possibility being constantly created by the intellect. So a proposition does not necessarily have to be either "True" or "False."
Elizio33
Elizio33
Okay so the outdated materials that contradicts the newer information too much are replaced? For example, the realm of the Beyonders was described as a 4-D realm in the old Fantastic Four Annual Vol 1 23, but this is no longer the case in the recent stories, like Defanders: Beyond.
Ultima_Reality
Ultima_Reality
The realm of the Beyonders was never described as 4-D, mind you. Kubik says he and Kosmos were about to cross a "4th dimensional spacetime barrier between this realm... and what lies outside" because, in that context, "what lies outside" was the regular universe's sub-atomic domain. The moral of that story was basically that the highest planes loop back into the lowest, so the "4-D spacetime barrier" was just them re-entering the regular universe.

As for your question: There are cases where this happens, yes, but overall the "outdated" portrayals are treated as co-existing with newer ones from the perspective of the higher planes such as the House of Ideas. By that token, we look at the verse from a perspective that accounts for both old and new. For example: If Dormammu is described as 5-D in several storylines, then a storyline comes out describing him as 3-D, and then afterwards more storylines come out still describing him as 5-D, we'd treat the sole instance where he is described as 3-D as being the outlier.

Now, relevance of the story in question is (In my eyes, at least) a factor, as well: A plot-point from a large-scale event would take precedence over a minor comic should it contradict it, for instance.
Elizio33
Elizio33
Regardless, I'm starting to understand why a composite Marvel cosmology was more possible than a composite DC cosmology. In my opinion, the only materials that can be reconciled for DC Cosmology are those of Grant Morrison, Scott Snyder, James Tynion IV, and Joshua Williamson. These authors have contributed greatly to the expansion of the DCU for years, all based on the cosmological modal made by Grant Morrison. The works of J.M. DeMatteis, Mike Carey, Neil Gaiman and Alan Moore have also contributed greatly to the DCU and authors like Grant Morrison or James Tynion IV have applied many of their works to their cosmology, but the amalgamation of all these works does not work.
Ultima_Reality
Ultima_Reality
Generally I agree, yeah. With regards to Marvel, I often see people bringing up the prospect of a cosmology split, but those suggestions just leave me confused for the most part. With the exception of Starlin's "Infinity" hexalogy, I just don't... know what you'd split, to begin with? As someone who's delved into both verses: In my eyes, Marvel's cosmic side simply isn't as fragmented as DC's, at all.
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