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We had discussions about this a long time ago. The conclusion we reached is not to touch the One Piece planet size until Oda gives us some extra evidence later in the manga.
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One Piece Chapter 1000: "Straw Hat Luffy" (Official Release)
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He's definitely not going to.
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I meant more so we would see more versatility in Law's soul manipulation, maybe being able to harm homies similar to brook & Marco.
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this is not true though
for a 1000 chapter series One Piece is pretty consistent
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Wot?
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He doesn't, or else we would have a good scaling chain throughout the verse.
Why can the Mid tiers fight god tiers.
Like what
Why can the Mid tiers fight god tiers.
Like what
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I think Oda does some but his idea of it is different from ours and I think he cares more about moments and character stuff then simple power.
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Poor argument considering Haki mitigates the effectiveness of Devil Fruits (not to mention it's a Durability amplifier). The best argument one can make is: "Law's durability with Haki scales to Doflamingo's Goshikito--albeit partially since Armament Haki is noted as being able to mitigate or even nullify the DF's effects"
- His base durability can absolutely not apply here since every single attack from Doflamingo has gone straight through Law's body with the sole exception of a kick to the jaw (still injured him, caused bleeding, and sent him flying though).
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People saying "Bird-Cage" threads are stronger than his normal ones are simply making a presumption. Until there's a glaring issue presented in presentation, we can't say one is stronger than the other. The only threads we can argue as being "Weaker" than Doflamingo's others is whatever the Black Knight is made out of since even low-tier characters could damage it. Meanwhile, even Doflamingo's "normal" threads have only been damaged or destroyed by Bound Man Luffy and no one else (And this includes a list of characters such as Atmos, Jozu, and similarly powerful characters).
I think the only reason the "Birdcage > Normal Threads" argument even began was the false belief that it is unthinkable for someone like Fujitora to be incapable of dealing with Doflamingo's normal attacks despite many situations outright denying this thought process:
- The fact that Fujitora's strongest display of attack did literally nothing to the cage (despite this not being his intention in the first place).
- Fujitora being depicted as going even with Gear 3rd Luffy while Doflamingo kept trashing Luffy (even while injured) and only began having serious problems with Gear 4th.
- Fujitora (alone) being incapable of physically slowing down or stopping the Bird-Cage, even having difficulties with assistance from Zoro and many others.
There's also never been the case of Doflamingos threads (except for Black Knight) being inferior in any way to eachother via statement or otherwise.
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Can we do that? Most characters wouldn't be 7A anymore with that iirc.
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Not quite.
We put G4 at 3x base Luffy because that's a reasonable lowball, but that's not even taking into account that Gear 4 (without the fist compression) is likely stronger than base Luffy anyway. And the multiplier for his attacks could be higher than 3.
So while it is a lowball to put Gear 4 as at least 3x base Luffy, it is a highball to say Luffy is only 1/3rd of Gear 4's AP.
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No.
We don't backscale off of unknown multipliers.
G4 is a "several" multiplier, so minimum it can be is 3. If you use the minimum multiplier, you get the highest results. We only said 3x initially because we didn't know what "several" stood as.
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Wait question wasn't the several multiplier to gear 2nd/3rd luffy.
I believe the several multiplier comes from this "He's hardening his skin with armament haki .. and using the tensile force to raise his power several times beyond it's limit"
I believe the several multiplier comes from this "He's hardening his skin with armament haki .. and using the tensile force to raise his power several times beyond it's limit"
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It was G4.
I wanted to give Gear 2nd a multiplier, but I can't find a statement for multiplication in power.
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I meant the multiplier was from base luffy to gear 4th luffy but I'll retract that statement because the statement used was referring to his body though that still could apply to gear 2nd luffy.
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Honestly I'm ok with scaling the Birdcage to Fujitora's Meteors and then scaling Doflamingo's Strongest Attacks to the Birdcage
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If we choose to do that then it would be a major change as pretty much every High 7-A would get boosted to 6-C, also if the rest of the characters get boosted to 6-C then I feel like removing whitebeard's country feat wouldn't really make sense anymore, as there still should be a tier gap between gear 4th luffy and the other Yonkou.
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I'm not. It doesn't make a lot of sense which is why I argued against it in the first place.
Getting higher ratings is fun, I get it, but there's reasons why it's not on the profiles right now.
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You know they said the opposite of what you said when they downgraded Luffy to low end High 7-A from 6-C earlier in this year right?
And you know right now, the Yonko are High 7-A cause we have no basis on them being 6-C.
And you know right now, the Yonko are High 7-A cause we have no basis on them being 6-C.
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This isn't even about higher ratings I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation on why the bird cage should be stronger than Doflamingo's best buso koka style attacks which the bird cage isn't. If the bird cage's durability ends up being recalced to something lower that wouldn't change anything then that's fine.
If your argument is the bird cage shouldn't scale because the calcs show it doesn't have to be equal to fujitora's meteors in order to slice through it casually that's fine , but please provide the calcs.
All I want is a clear concise explanation on why the birdcage which doesn't use buso koka is higher than Doflamingo's strongest attacks.
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@CyborgSakumo; taking a look at Doflamingo's profiles, the Birdcage isn't currently rated higher than any of his attacks.
The threads for Doflamingo's Birdcage did have their durability calced ages ago, and that is one of the reasons why they aren't listed on his profile.
The threads for Doflamingo's Birdcage did have their durability calced ages ago, and that is one of the reasons why they aren't listed on his profile.
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The issue I'm having here is the only calc I can find is this one https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...GEST_METEOR_and_BIRDCAGE.E2.80.99S_DURABILITY
. This is the one on fujitora's profile.
which puts it a 11.4 Gigatons a.k.a Island level.
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@CyborgSakumo; here is a different one. It's a little outdated at this point probably, but the end result wouldn't be too far off.
EDIT: Just to note - I do not want to get into a big debate about Birdcage in this thread. We've talked about it numerous times before. This isn't the thread for it again.
EDIT: Just to note - I do not want to get into a big debate about Birdcage in this thread. We've talked about it numerous times before. This isn't the thread for it again.
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Ok that makes more sense, but can someone explain why do we not change what's linked to Fujitora's profile to that calc because otherwise it's difficult to understand.
If the birdcage is calced at town level then I'm fine with it, it was just weird because the calc that's on the profiles put's it at island level which is very confusing.
If the birdcage is calced at town level then I'm fine with it, it was just weird because the calc that's on the profiles put's it at island level which is very confusing.
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The current situation is that we use the calc for the meteors from that blog post, but not the calc for the Birdcage from that blog post.
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The only thing I'd ask to put a note of this somewhere for newer members who aren't aware of this on fujitora or doflamingo's profile.
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Can we make a General Discussion thread about the birdcage?
This is the chapter 1000 thread
Edit: Wano AP Sandbox Work in progress
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This is the chapter 1000 thread
Edit: Wano AP Sandbox Work in progress
KingTempest16/One Piece AP (Wano)
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Like what Damage said, this isn't the place to talk about the cage.
Also, using "Base Luffy being 1/3 Gear 4th" for BACKSCALING would not work since that's a ridiculous high-ball for Doffy's statement, especially since Gear 4th is perpetually using Haki, so if ANYTHING, Base Luffy would be < Base w/ Haki </=1/9th (a reasonable low-ball for "several") Gear 4th AP, but also we still have to consider that Doflamingo is referring to Gear 3rd as a possibility, so it could instead be: Base Luffy < Base w/ Haki < Gear 2nd w/ Haki < Gear 3rd w/ Haki </=1/9th Gear 4th AP, so it would definitely not make Luffy 6-C with anything outside of Gear 4th (especially given he is depicted massively weaker than Doflamingo/Katakuri/Cracker EVEN with Haki in any of his lesser boosts)
Also, using "Base Luffy being 1/3 Gear 4th" for BACKSCALING would not work since that's a ridiculous high-ball for Doffy's statement, especially since Gear 4th is perpetually using Haki, so if ANYTHING, Base Luffy would be < Base w/ Haki </=1/9th (a reasonable low-ball for "several") Gear 4th AP, but also we still have to consider that Doflamingo is referring to Gear 3rd as a possibility, so it could instead be: Base Luffy < Base w/ Haki < Gear 2nd w/ Haki < Gear 3rd w/ Haki </=1/9th Gear 4th AP, so it would definitely not make Luffy 6-C with anything outside of Gear 4th (especially given he is depicted massively weaker than Doflamingo/Katakuri/Cracker EVEN with Haki in any of his lesser boosts)
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If I’ll be honest. I don’t think we should ever use multipliers that use words like several for anything more than upscaling. Cause several means 3 or more so it could be just 3 or more than that. Backscaling by assuming a number larger than 3 is just really arbitrary and has nothing backing it up.
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Sorry about the birdcage discussion, just was confused about something, but something that is related to this chapter is base luffy's speed rating. From what this chapter looks like it might get upgraded to relativistic+ considering he was bare minum at least able to easily dodge kaido's attack and then nail him with his own, this discussion should happen with more detail next chapter when we have a better idea how this fight is going but its something to keep in mind.
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Depends on how serious Kaido is actually being right now.
But getting all of the details of the fight will be good. Hopefully we won't immediately cut to another Topi Robbo fight next chapter.
But getting all of the details of the fight will be good. Hopefully we won't immediately cut to another Topi Robbo fight next chapter.
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Pfft, this is Oda guys, next chapter we will have many side things and Luffy will only appear in the end.
I really want to each chapter from 1001-1010 to focus on each of the straws tho, not their full fights or something like that, but them being the focus and we seeing their thoughts about the situation would be nice.
I really want to each chapter from 1001-1010 to focus on each of the straws tho, not their full fights or something like that, but them being the focus and we seeing their thoughts about the situation would be nice.
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Given that the fights have been set up quite similarly to Enies Lobby, I'm afraid that's exactly what's going to happen.
We'll at most get one more chapter with a decent amount of content between Kaido and Luffy's engagement, then cut off to the other fights that are being set up (or have already begun).
- Ulti and Page looking for Usopp and Nami--either going to encounter another opponent, or this will take place off-panel for the most part until Tama + Nami + Usopp set up for their "plan" (99% sure it has to do with the dango power, otherwise I'm stumped)
- Jinbe and Who's Who might have dialogue before fighting. Jinbe might be fighting his subordinates first, and then engage WW, which will drag the actual fight out for a long while.
- Sanji is going to keep running from Black Maria until either Robin or Brook take his place. At that point, it might take a few chapters from now.
- Sanji then has to set up for his own fight (assuming he gets one. Post-timeskip has not been too kind to him)
- Franky vs Sasaki also has to happen.
- Chopper making the anti-body might be the focus for one of the chapters as well...
- Marco vs King/Queen also needs to be settled.
- Fukurokuju is also MIA and we've not seen him for a while. We might see where he went, and if Orochi miraculously survived thanks to his DF ability.
- And plenty of other small things.
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Feels weird, reading 1000 chapters in like 14 days but
Yeah, pretty cool.
Was a bit underwhelmed by the big 1 triple 0 but, maybe it's cuz I went into it thinking it would be a big self-contained earth-shaking event. Still, it was nice.
Yeah, pretty cool.
Was a bit underwhelmed by the big 1 triple 0 but, maybe it's cuz I went into it thinking it would be a big self-contained earth-shaking event. Still, it was nice.
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Unless he ends up fighting King some how, i think hell eventually join Luffy and Zoro.
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I need Marco to go help fight Kaido.
He and Izo wanted to go help Ace fight Kaido prior. Ace is dead and Izo is incapacitated, I'd feel some type of way to see that Marco is just there doing nothing important.
He and Izo wanted to go help Ace fight Kaido prior. Ace is dead and Izo is incapacitated, I'd feel some type of way to see that Marco is just there doing nothing important.
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Well, not part of the chapter, but since everyone is arguing about 6-C, I initially presented a 6-C+ feat regarding Prime Chinjao's Headbutt against an ice wall. It was rejected due to the scales being lost. If someone could calc that thing again, it'd be good.
