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Zeref Time Manipulation Resistance CRT Summary on what was agreed.

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What was agreed

Zeref: Soul Absorption Resistance (because of Franmalth ), Pleasure and Soul Manipulation Resistance (because of Larcade's magic ),Telepathy (was able to communicate with larcade via telepathy, Water Manipulation and Limited Poison Manipulation Resistance (because of Torafuzar), Wind Resistance , Fire Resistance , Air Resistance and Lightning Resistance (because of Tempester's Weather Manipulation ), Magic Absorption (because he absorbed all of fairy heart away from Mavis), Time Manipulation Resistance, Magic Nullification Resistance, Death Manipulation Resistance, Spatial Manipulation and it's Resistances

Gray Fullbuster/Silver Fullbuster: Limited or just Existence Erasure Resistance (They're able to resist demonic Existence Erasure because of their devil slayer magic)

Spatial, Time resistance for Acnologia for a resisting a TimeShift. This resistance should scale to Zeref since had the same of the ravine of time via Fairy Heart -> see Neo Eclipse

https://www.mangapan -da.com/fairy-tail/530/11

https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/530/12

https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/530/13

Also, for Zeref's

Neo Eclipse is a Magic in which one can turn back time to re-live life again. According to Mavis Vermilio, the current world that the spell is cast in is simply erased, becoming obsolete as the new world takes its place. In order to conduct, the user must have both Fairy Heart and the Space Between Time-[ravine of time] in their possession to combine them to activate the spell.[1] ------>[ Would be Time Travel and Erasure Existence of the Previous World]

https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/534/10

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZB36CGvFS...YXxbx1Zu6c62_B99wCHMYBhgL/s16000/0530-019.png

Previous CRT link: Zeref Time Manipulation Resistance
 
All of this hasn't been agreed upon, stop promoting it as if it was.

Burning Full Fingers and Dragonmasterxyz are knowledgeable staff members that disagreed. AnonymousBlank, DragonEmperor23 and I have disagreed and provided reasoning.

Only resistance to Time Manipulation for Fairy Heart Zeref has been agreed.
 
I'm not knowledgeable on FT, but the resistances I can agree with are to:

  • Time Stop (Fairy Heart)
  • Soul Absorption
  • Magic Nullification
Where does resistance to Spatial Manipulation come from?
 
Burning Full Fingers, it would scaled from acnologia would escape this and absorbed it power. sadly, Acnologia prove doesn't have the resistances yet on his profile.

https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/530/11

https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/530/12

https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/530/13

The Ravine of Time is one of power source that Zeref also have.
 
Nedge1000 said:
IMadeThisOn8-1-2017, you were absent for a large part of the argument, all of these were accpeted besides EE resistance. You can check again.
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I've been in this argument since the start, do not act like I wasn't discussing in the entire thread.

It's been argued and disagreed with. The only thing accepted was Time Manipulation resistance for Fairy Heart Zeref.
 
What I am saying that between the gaps that you were gone, many more abilities were accepted by the other although in increment of one by one votes.
 
Zeref: Soul Absorption Resistance (because of Franmalth ), Pleasure and Soul Manipulation Resistance (because of Larcade's magic ),Telepathy (was able to communicate with larcade via telepathy, Water Manipulation and Limited Poison Manipulation Resistance (because of Torafuzar), Wind Resistance , Fire Resistance , Air Resistance and Lightning Resistance (because of Tempester's Weather Manipulation ), Magic Absorption (because he absorbed all of fairy heart away from mavis), Time Manipulation Resistance, Magic Nullification Resistance, Death Manipulation Resistance, Spatial Manipulation and it's Resistances.

Gray Fullbuster/Silver Fullbuster: Limited Existence Erasure Resistance (They're able to resist demonic Existence Erasure because of their devil slayer magic, but a normal Existence Erasure should be able to kill them)

This is all the things i have agreed upon.
 
KaiserReinhardt , what about Acnologia's resistance, some like DragonEmperor23 already agree about in the previous thread as he was missing it the ability on his profile. I just posted the evidences so people could know.
 
I am fine with resistance to time manipulation and telepathy. The rest mostly seem unreliable.
 
Nedge1000 said:
What I am saying that between the gaps that you were gone, many more abilities were accepted by the other although in increment of one by one votes.
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You seriously need to stop lying to push this agenda.

Burning Full Fingers disagreed with the resistances to the Curses since durability and immortality would counter the Curses since they are AP damage based.

AnonymousBlank disagreed with the resistances to the Curses that caused AP damage.

DragonEmperor23 disagreed with the resistances to the Curses per AP damage. He even provided his own revision of the abilities, leaving out the resistances to the Curses as he didn't agree.

Hst master also disagreed due to Burning's point that immortality makes the abilities useless, not that Zeref is resistant.

TriforcePower1 even provides an explanation for each Curse and why they aren't resistances, but the fact that immortality and durability negate them.

Dragonmasterxyz has been following since the beginning and every comment from him is pretty much disagreement.
 
@Nedge

Spirit/soul form acnologia in the ravines of time should get non-copearal on his profile, afterall he is nothing but a spirit/soul. he should get time and spatial resistance because of the ravines of time. I think that's what dragon agreed upon, i don't remember correctly.
 
The rest scaled from the resistances are from this scan (they can't kill him.).

Zeref was explained how the demons failed to kill or incapacitated when he was suicidal also for mind, and perception manipulation he shows unaffected by the curse.

Another, Evidences which even refer to demons such as E.N.D.20180813 012919 rmedited


Also, Larcade Dragneel 's pleasure magic has soul manipulation based on pleasure and Zeref's resited its effect.

Pleasure: A type of magic which allows the user to cast "pleasure and pain" on their target. It affects those who have tasted the "forbidden" pleasures in life and such people cannot escape this magic's effects. Those struck with this magic are afflicted with such intense pleasure as to cause pain and eventually, their souls leave their bodies. The magic can be cast on only single or multiple targets in the immediate vicinity of the user or can be cast on an entire battlefield to affect hundreds or potentially thousands of targets. Those who do not meet the requirements of this magic can still be affected. The user creates tentacles seemingly made of tangible light which grab the target and overload their senses. The targets are overcome with pleasure so great as to be in pain and their souls eventually leave their bodies. Even if a target is freed from the tentacles, prolonged enough exposure can leave the target so weak that they can barely even stand. However, this method is not without its flaws. The tangible nature of the tentacles mean that they can be destroyed and the target thus can be freed. The target can also free themselves by inflicting great physical pain on themselves to overcome the intense pleasure.


Spatial resistance would scale from Acnologio who displayed it with the Ravine of Time which also one of Zeref's power mentioned above the wiki called it differently as Space Between Time.


Antvasima , You should refresh your page as added more evidence in the first post.
 
@iMadeThisOn

DragonEmperor23

He didn't disagree, he was only asking a question in was in was later debunked. We can't compare zeref durability from 400 years to the one he has present. You yourself drop the durability debate and went for the immortality debate in which was still being debated before the thread was closed and this one was started.
 
Failing to kill Zeref does not mean he has resistance. For god's sake, the guy is immortal. He can't die by conventional means like AP based abilities which most of the Curses are.

Zeref's own durability in tandem with his immortality makes the curses useless against him as Burning said.

As AnonymousBlank has said, most of the curses do AP damage and Zeref's immortality counters that, not resistances.

Per TriforcePower1's very in depth explanation, most of the curses are AP based and don't cause death, only damage. Because of his immortality it makes them useless.

Immortality is the reason they can't kill him. Most of their abilities are AP based and don't bypass immortality.
 
No shit they can't kill him. His immortality prevents it. Also the fact that they are not stronger than him so he could tank it all day. Suggesting he gets all these resistance is dumb.
 
@KuuIchigo

The nine gates demon tried to kill zeref 400 years ago, his durability from 400 years ago can't be the same as his present day unless you have evidence for that. The only assumtion that would make sense is that his durability grew stronger over time and not someting he had all this time.
 
Okay, let's get serious here. I will address nedge's proposal.

>Time Manip resistance.

Yes, if Timemo can have it via statement "surpassed time", Zeref should have it too.

>The resistance to 9 demon gates power.

No. While I said that "Zeref deemed them as failures", doesn't mean they cannot affect him with their abilities. It's simply means, like Imade pointed out, fails to kill him due immortality and tier gap.

>Death Manip Resistance

I'm neutral about this honestly.

>Spatial manip resistance.

Where does this come from?

>Gray and Silver EE resistance.

I'm leaning towards yes. But pretty sure we should get rid of the "limited" part. Why? Because some characters from Narutoverse can have matter manip resistance due having six paths chakra, why can't those two have the same treatment?
 
@iMadeThisOn

To say that he resisted those attack via his immortality is the same as saying tempest left him in a critical state where a normal person could be considered dead and he came back via his immortality. But this is nothing but your speculation, the easiest solution would be to say that he physically resisted these attack and that they couldn't harm him. This is also makes sense, then saying that tempest left him on a critical state and he needed to relay on his immortality to save him.
 
Homu Sweet Homu scaling from acnologia who had the feats. Acnologia has of one of the same power source- Ravine of Time. I mentioned above as Space Between Time in the fairy tail Wikia link for Neo Esclipe.

There is also a manga link.

https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/534/10
 
Zeref definitely have resistance to Death Manipulation Because he resisted Mavis Vermiliowho has been a curse like him

  • https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/449/16
  • https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/449/17
  • https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/450/11
Mavis Vermilio'sDeath Manipulation:

  • https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/450/8
  • https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/450/9
Zeref Dragneel's Death Manipulation Resistance

  • https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/450/18
  • https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/450/19
  • https://www.**********.com/fairy-tail/450/20
 
@Kaiser

I'm seriously beginning to think that you don't understand what immortality is.

Immortality means that Zeref can not die by conventional means.

Most of the curses are AP based abilities that cause physical damage.

This means nothing to Zeref because he can't die. Those AP based curses will not kill him because he is immortal.
 
RotofBots said:
>Surpassed Time< is pretty nebulous.
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Again, Acnologia who have the one of the same Power as Zeref's Ravine of Time has the feat.

So, Zeref should be able to do the same.
 
@iMadeThisOn

What you're saying is that he is relaying on his immortality to save him from these attacks rather then saying that his physical capabilities is what is saving him.

If you say that his immortality is what is saving him, then that means tempest's attacks is so powerful that they're able to bypass zeref's durability and that the only thing saving zeref at this point would be his immortality. This is your idea of resistance via immortality, in which i disagree with.

What i agree with is that, zeref resisted these attacks physically and that they couldn't do any great harm to him. He doesn't need his immortality to save him, since he is stronger then tempest.
 
@IMade

Which of these abilities do you think seem reasonable?

In any case, somebody should probably ask Dragonmasterxyz to comment here.
 
Time manip resistance was also because Ultear was able to resist time stop with her time magic and give resistance to others and Zerefs time magic >>>> Ultears
 
@Antvasima

So far, only resistance to Time Manipulation, Death Manipulation and Larcade's Pleasure/Soul manipulation magic seems reasonable per the feats we have for Zeref and legitimate scaling.

I will also inform Dragonmasterxyz to give his opinions as well since he was very vocal and kept up with the previous thread.
 
@IMade

Okay. Those abilities seem fine to add then, but it is best to wait for Dragon.
 
RotofBots said:
@Homu
Also, looking at this thread, Timemon has more blatant feats and statements than Zeref. Comparing them would be a generalization.
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There was an example, but a first point but the main argument he should scaling from acnologia's ravine of time feat so Zeref who has this same powers source excluding fairy heart should have the resistance.
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
How about Franmalth? Soul Manipulation isn't reliant on durability.
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Zeref would have resistance to Soul Manipulation added due to resisting Larcade's Pleasure magic that affects souls. I included it in my summary to Ant above.
 
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