Versus Thread Removal Requests 16

[Overlord775]

Marisa's lost to Goku should be removed
Goku's AP advantage here is massive, as he's superior to his self who fought a Jiren showing a hint of hos power, which is masivelly above his supresssed self, who is superior to Infinite Zamsu, which is already above baseline Low 2-C thanks to his feat

Marisa can at best only scratch him with her attacks since she's only baseline

also, if Goku come close to being defeated, he might just turn UI and instantly wreck Marisa since that forms scales to the GoD's immesurably in to Low 2-C feat.

So, Goku eventually just knocks her out.

same applies to Pops's loss to Goku

Sama applies here, but worse since Pops has no survivability.

Pops is baseline, Goku one shots Jenna's loss against Goku should be removed too dout to being outdated, as it was made in 2017, when Goku didn't even have different keys for the different his power levels trought DBS

also, she's not even baseline, but powered by a Low 2-C source

Utsuho's match against Goku should be also removed as swell.

Goku's win condition in this match was litterally befriending her, which isn't a win condiction he could achive since he lacks any kind of social influancing abiity

also, the people in this match forgot that she could go "lolgetatomized" at any point, which she would have the chance to do since she has Low-Godly regen, and that the radiation from being right next to a star is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> being in space, so Goku's resistance is not good enought to not get radiation sickness.

 

[Theglassman12]

this match should be removed from Goku's profile since Twilight Sparkle is no longer Low 4-C.

 

[Elizhaa]

I agree; I removed the matches.

 

[Buttersamuri]

Hank vs Ping Pong Paddle

And

Phoenix Wright vs Ping Ping Paddle

Ping Pong has Mid Regenerationn. They ain't bypassing that ever. Nuff said.


Hank vs TTT. This isn't a stomp or anything. But it entirely glossed over anything hank could actually do. Saying TTT could handle anything hank could throw at him, which simply wasn't true. It was a barely 2 times power gap, and hank had a piercing weapon, plus preparation. His knowledge on hunting as well wasn't really considered. Saying he typically fights humans, when he also does enjoy hunting animals. The reason that we're put simply weren't valid. Being barely weaker and a piercing weapon Plus prep, he could definitely do damage. I think a Rematch is necessary and the old one removed.

Hank vs Freddy, I was told for this one to be brought here since Hank has like a 5 times gap, massive strength edge, Skills, and his arsenal all over Freddy. And Freddy had like. Nothing.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

This match here . The Courier is no longer 8-B and it should be removed from both profiles.

 

[HrishikeshM]

pls remove this match https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3878837

match was already added before my argument that was that goku is capable of resisting body deconstruction when he can easily resist existence erasure from hakai which is only body destruction + soul destruction at the core meaning

 

[Elizhaa]

I left the second match alone because your issue are solvable by a rematch. I rempved they other matches.

I removed the match.

 

[Elizhaa]

Deconstruction does not exactly scaled to Existence Erasure. I am nutral here.

 

[HrishikeshM]

a level of destruction beyond incineration, vaporization, and atomization. Rather than just reducing something to its constituent parts, this ability leaves absolutely nothing behind.

the page says that it is even better than deconstruction.....how exactly can someone resist a advanced version of hax but fail to weaker version of same hax? thanos snap only destroys the physical body into dust while hakai destroys it leaving nothing behind even the soul.....and somehow goku can resist hakai but not thanos snap????where is the logic.....the common sense?

 

[Schnee_One]

Deconstruction of matter is Matter basef, EE is hax based

Then again, a heavily weakened Hakai that was caught and weaker by Frieza would have killed Goku if Beerus didn't save him, so his EE is resistance is useless

 

[Elizhaa]

From I read, I think Schnee One's points make more sense.

 

[Buttersamuri]

I left the second match alone because your issue are solvable by a rematch. I rempved they other matches.

I think you missed the first one. Hank vs Ping Pong Paddle. Which same reasons. Mid regen which hank can't get passed.

 

[Elizhaa]

Ah, my bad, I removed it.

 

[Buttersamuri]

Thank you

 

[Soupywolf5]

On this thread, it was agreed that all of Gumball's losses after Izuku were to be removed.

 

[Arrogant_Schmuck]

I must ask how any of Homer's victories are fair. It doesn't seem like anyone he's won against has a way around Mid regen or Type 4 immortality.

 

[Jackythejack]

Oh yeah wow his family definitely doesn't. Gumball might but idk

 

[Buttersamuri]

Gumball does. We made note a long while back about removing it when he got the mid regen buff. It just never got removed. And kinda forgot about it

 

[ExSENNA]

Downstreamers vs High Priest should be removed from High Priest's profile because Downstreamers are no longer High 1-C.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Asriel vs Dimentio. Asriel's wincon was that he one-shots by attacking the soul before Dimentio mind controls. However, Undertale's durability negation via attacking the soul has been removed.

 

[HrishikeshM]

Deconstruction of matter is Matter basef, EE is hax based

they are both one shot hax who destroy the body directly.....why would a version who does something more be treated differently

and goku resist it for a while but it was a better hax nothing proves goku would die

 

[Schnee_One]

Incorrect

EE is a spiritual based ability that affects your body in soul.

Matter based directly affects the atoms physically and splits them apart

<Nothing proves Goku would die

Are we even watching the same episode? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dlpDWZUSMfU

Goku is struggling trying to hold it back and has to go into his stronger forms in order to stop a severely weakened Hakai from killing him

Matter based and EE based are separate and even if it wasn't Goku's resistance isn't good enough anyway.

 

[Jackythejack]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2747577

Chelshia vs. Joseph Joestar. With Joseph's tommy gun and clackers he outranges by far and Chelshia can't compete with that, apparently Hamon is just so deadly that even being close to it is enough to get you to be pretty dead meaning that Chelshia literally cannot get close without being haxed, Joseph oneshots with hamon, is far smarter and had quite a bit more stamina and I can't find a way Chelshia could actually win this

 

[MrLuk2000]

Bill vs Yukari needs to be removed. This match was heavily flawed.

Bill's in character move is Transmutation via a snap of his fingers, yet in the thread some people argued that Yukari resists Transmutation and even Sleep Inducement even though she doesn't. She only resists Illusions and Mind Manipulation. Nowhere does it say she resists Transmutation and Sleep Inducement.

Edit: How does Low-Godly counter being turned into tapestry?

Sleep Manipulation is not a subpower of Mind Manipulation. Its a status effect which is something she does not resist.

 

[Overlord775]

Trasmutation is countered by Low-Godly Regen

Sleep Manipulation is a considered subpower of mind manipulation unless the power is shown to work thorught a different way

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Trasmutation is countered by Low-Godly Regen
Sleep Manipulation is a considered subpower of mind manipulation unless the power is shown to work thorught a different way

Sleep Manipulation = / = Mind Hax. At least most fictions doesn't portray it this way

 

[DatOneWeeb]

I don't think we allow people who resist mind manipulation resist sleep manipulation as well.

 

[Overlord775]

@Gilad

The most common form if Sleep Manipulation is hypnosis-based tho

@Dat

and i am pretty sure we do

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

@Gilad
The most common form if Sleep Manipulation is hypnosis-based tho

It doesn't mean it's actually hypnosis. Also, even if it was, Bill's sleep hax is not hypnosis based so it's not dependant on mind hax either way

 

[Overlord775]

it's mind hax because it manipulates the mind, which since it's not done though sleep powder or status effect inducement or any other uncoventional metod, it's blocked by mind resistance

Also, Yuraki is way more likely to just go LOLBoundary before he uses it anyway

 

[Schnee_One]

Trasmutation is countered by Low-Godly Regen

Sleep Manipulation is a considered subpower of mind manipulation unless the power is shown to work thorught a different way

Isn't Sleep Manip more of a stamina drain?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

it's mind hax because it manipulates the mind, which since it's not done though sleep powder or status effect inducement or any other uncoventional metod, it's blocked by mind resistance
Also, Yuraki is way more likely to just go LOLBoundary before he uses it anyway

Bill literally starts with a snap that either transmutates or sleep haxes, so he will use it as first move unless she uses her instant LOLBoundary immediately too

 

[Overlord775]

@Schee

Varies

@Gilas

Or petrifies or uses the deconstruction laser, which are also in-character moves for him to start with.

Yukari's first move is to boundary hax an opponent as far as i remember, which is also thought based

also, trasmutation is countered by Low-Godly regen as i already stated

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

@Gilas

also, trasmutation is counted by Low-Godly regen as i already stated

If Bill manages to transmutate, the target becomes unconscious, so reverting back from it won't happen unless she have sleep hax resistance

 

[Overlord775]

That's not sleep hax, that's just what being turned to stone does to a body

Yukari can just make a new body with her incorporeal mind or just boundary hax him

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

That's not sleep hax, that's just what being turned to stone does to a body
Yukari can just make a new body with her incorporeal mind or just boundary hax him

Again, how can she do it if she's not conscious? The mind would remain, but if she's not conscious she just won't be able to do it. You need resistance to be knocked unconscious magically (example, Discord, who actually battled Bill) But that's derailing so I'll stop now. If you want to debate about it, then move it to the thread

 

[MrLuk2000]

Low Godly does not counter being turned into Tapestry

Continue the argument in one of your guy's wall

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Bill doesn't have a default power to use.

He is not once put in a positions where he fights someone he doesn't know personally, and above that most of his ability uses are specifically done due to this knowledge.

He talks and is mock shocked against Time Baby, after which he just blasts it to death. When about to be erased he shot a laser that wasn't even wide enough to hit Dipper and Sixer.

He transforms the people that should make the ritual to kill him to have them as trophies... or flags, in this case. He makes a golden statue out of sixer because he needs him alive.

He just blasts back Dipper with a forcefield and burns his books for no real reason. He incapacitated and put Mabel in a bubble where anything she wants comes true for no real non-metal reason.

He tried to physically charge both Mabel and Dipper and the Shacketron for no peculiar reason.

And so on and on. He certainly isn't prone to taking others seriously tough. He almost always either listens to what others tell him, or either says or acts out something (he pretty much talked oret people try to do something every time he got in a fight).

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Regardless, a rematch would be best. It's quiet an old thread and many of the reasonings there still didn't work.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Bill doesn't have a default power to use.
He is not once put in a positions where he fights someone he doesn't know personally, and above that most of his ability uses are specifically done due to this knowledge.

Because Bill doesn't have a default move, the general consensus is that he starts with what he uses the most, otherwise matches with Bill would be impossible due to that reason. Bill uses transmutation multiple time and is actually very likely to use it on any foe who isn't useful to Bill (he kept the Pines only because he needed them, and he was arrogant mostly against the Pines as well since he knew they're so much weaker than him and couldn't POSSIBLY defeat him (and we know how that turned out))