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Goku vs Marisa

Mickey1940

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One of the least haxxed Touhou characters vs Goku. Why not?


Broly Movie Goku vs Windows Marisa

Both Low 2C

Fight takes place in the World of Void

Goku starts in SSGSS and can use MUIS if he is pushed to that point

Marisa already drank the Ultramarine Orb Elixir

Both willing to kill

Speed equalized

Who wins?


Goku: 2

Marisa: 1

Incon: 1
 
Still questioning how higher is Goku in Low 2-C

Also he can't be able to touch Marisa if she can dodge every attack, and sum that she can use the Elixir to see the future and revert time to dodge more of Goku's attacks

She just steals his techniques and dodge his attacks = solos 95% DBS
 
Creeplord said:
Still questioning how higher is Goku in Low 2-C
Also he can't be able to touch Marisa if she can dodge every attack, and sum that she can use the Elixir to see the future and revert time to dodge more of Goku's attacks

She just steals his techniques and dodge his attacks = solos 95% DBS
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Baseline Low 2C =< Infinite Zamasu <<<<<< Very Heavily Suppressed Jiren = Initial UIS <<< Kefla =< Second UIS >=< GoD Toppo <<< Third UIS < Base Jiren <<< MUIS > Burning Ultimate Warrior Jiren

Basicaly several thousands if not millions of times Baseline
 
Still wondering why that chain scaling makes him above baseline, because apart from that he is totally a fodder for his tier xddd

Unless he has some heavily broken hax, or some kind of good anti-hax to anything, chain scaling would not change that Goku is just another baseline in tier 2, not all is Power Scaling

And that would not change that Marisa can just steals his techniques and use the Elixir to prevent any damage, and then she uses her Master Spark to defeat Goku, even as I know after some ending in LoLK she obtained an occult ball, so she would be able to use it and its powers (RW, Subjective Reality and other stuffs) in a fight, another thing that can give her the victory over Goku
 
Goku speed stomps, Goku backscales from 438 Quadrillion times SoL, while Marisa is Massively FTL+ due to being comparable to someone who can do interstellar travelling and doesn't even have a calc.
 
Creeplord said:
Still wondering why that chain scaling makes him above baseline, because apart from that he is totally a fodder for his tier xddd
Unless he has some heavily broken hax, or some kind of good anti-hax to anything, chain scaling would not change that Goku is just another baseline in tier 2, not all is Power Scaling

And that would not change that Marisa can just steals his techniques and use the Elixir to prevent any damage, and then she uses her Master Spark to defeat Goku, even as I know after some ending in LoLK she obtained an occult ball, so she would be able to use it and its powers (RW, Subjective Reality and other stuffs) in a fight, another thing that can give her the victory over Goku
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sigh

Infinite Zamasu is slightly above Baseline, while Mastered UI Sign Goku is possibly thousands if not millions of times above that

Soooooooo... he's pretty much one of the strongest Low 2Cs on this site. In fact, thanks to Beerus and Champa, we know that anyone who meets or approaches the power of a GoD (which Goku surpassed with MUIS) will reach freaking 2C by simply doubling their power, since Beerus + Champa = 2C

So basically in terms of AP Goku can slap her with his nonexistent tail and turn her into flecks of blood and protein
 
Mickey1940 said:
sigh

Infinite Zamasu is slightly above Baseline, while Mastered UI Sign Goku is possibly thousands if not millions of times above that

Soooooooo... he's pretty much one of the strongest Low 2Cs on this site. In fact, thanks to Beerus and Champa, we know that anyone who meets or approaches the power of a GoD (which Goku surpassed with MUIS) will reach freaking 2C by simply doubling their power, since Beerus + Champa = 2C

So basically in terms of AP Goku can slap her with his nonexistent tail and turn her into flecks of blood and protein
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How do you know MUI Goku is "thousands or even millions" of time above Infinite Zamasu??

The chain scaling is still bullshit, not for being superior to X character in your own verse you will be above baseline because of that. If a character has such good abilities sum with a good amount of defenses and more stuff and feats than simply PS so then he would be above baseline, but nope Goku doesn't have anything that I say before, a good example of someone who is above baseline in his tier is Hades (SS), who's not just only have a good justification for his lvl but also has a great amount of abilities that put him above the baseline of a 2C. Not all is PS x2

Beerus + Champa = 2C?? Why??

And doubling the power of someone it's not a good justification to say that this character, there's no reason to think that, and by that logic Asriel would be 2A because of being infinitely far superior to Flowey or Chara xd

Also unless he can dodge a Danmaku of the lvl of a normal Touhou character the he would be able to touch Marisa. She just only uses her magic, the Occult Ball and the Ultramarine Elixir Orb and so gg kokum
 
Ionliosite said:
Goku speed stomps, Goku backscales from 438 Quadrillion times SoL, while Marisa is Massively FTL+ due to being comparable to someone who can do interstellar travelling and doesn't even have a calc.
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Well, Dreams are entire realities/universes itself, so then with that upgrade Marisa was flying between universal distances with ease, and she should possibly scales from Kaguya who with her instantaneous manip can do anything in a mere instant, so there you have infinite speed for Marisa

Why Goku backscales from 438 quadrillion times SoL?? It wasn't the best feat of speed in DBS that Whiss was able to travel the universe in 30 minutes??
 
Also, you are above baseline if you are above someone that is baseline in your verse. Hades is a bad example because he is mostly hax rather than AP and has legit 3 universes feats.
 
Why would someone need good hax, or anti hax to be above basline? There is no real correlation there.
 
Even when I enter and saw directly "outdated" I can deduce that it's a bad calc, and that was completely confirmed when it was used filling scenes from the anime to scale xddd, ah yeah but Whiss stating that at the max speed that he has it would come to Earth in 30 minutes don't contradict it, topkeks

She directly fight Kaguya at the end of IN, then she should be able to react to her movements and Danamku at this speed. To bad tha the instants in Touhou was defined as being what makes up time, the smallest unit of time and something that was used by Kaguya to create an endless corridor and exist within different timelines, ergo is infinite speed, so then Goku gets blitzed ;(

And really?? So then what a trash of method to determine something above baseline, specially since in DBS it's just PS and 0 feats xddd, and honestly more haxs and at least 3 universal feats >>>>>> chain scaling that doesn't really ends in anything ƒÖâ
 
TheMonsterOfTheAbyss said:
Why would someone need good hax, or anti hax to be above basline? There is no real correlation there.
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Because if you don't have at least one of both then even characters of a low lvl with OP hax can defeat you (as an example, Giorno curbstomps Goku, keks)
 
Creeplord said:
TheMonsterOfTheAbyss said:
Why would someone need good hax, or anti hax to be above basline? There is no real correlation there.
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Because if you don't have at least one of both then even characters of a low lvl with OP hax can defeat you (as an example, Giorno curbstomps Goku, keks)
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Totally unrelated to being baseline or not, being above baseline (insert tier) refers to being above the minimum threshold of Ap/Durability for that tier. Not how good the character is compared to others in the tier.
 
Creeplord said:
TheMonsterOfTheAbyss said:
Why would someone need good hax, or anti hax to be above basline? There is no real correlation there.
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Because if you don't have at least one of both then even characters of a low lvl with OP hax can defeat you (as an example, Giorno curbstomps Goku, keks)
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Thats not really how it works. You dont need hax/anti hax to be above baseline
 
It is outdated because before didn't have the correct size of the DB universe, which is bigger than the regular one. And it doesn't contradict it because when he travelled to earth in 30 minutes he didn't stated that he was going at full speed, he could have going casually.

Then made a CRT to make Marisa Infinite speed, because as it is then Goku blitzstomps.

Scalling chains were always a way to determine if something is above baseline. I don't get what you mean by PS, and there are multiple feats in DBS, I don't know why are you saying that there are 0 feats. Yeah because Hax > AP, let's say Hades is Low 2-C and he doesn't have that many hax, Goku's scalling chain would be bigger than him and thus he would have bigger AP.
 
Ionliosite said:
It is outdated because before didn't have the correct size of the DB universe, which is bigger than the regular one. And it doesn't contradict it because when he travelled to earth in 30 minutes he didn't stated that he was going at full speed, he could have going casually.
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Oh I see, but why you're still using a filler episode to scale?, if you don't know, fill scenes = unrecognized to make scaling, because this contradicts other feats or statements such Whiss stating to Bills that at the maximum speed they would reach the Earth in 30 minutes, oh but when it's related to food then they are infinite time faster than SoL xddd. That's why fill scenes aren't used to make scaling, keks. And nah he really stated it, "don't be mad that this is the maximum speed of the universe" or something like tht was sayed by Whiss when they was travelling to Earth, honestly I don't remember it clearly

Then made a CRT to make Marisa Infinite speed, because as it is then Goku blitzstomps.
Don't worry, when I got time I will make a CRT about that and other 2hu stuff :), but since that Goku gets speeblitzed and outsmarted by someone that is really intelligent xddd

Scalling chains were always a way to determine if something is above baseline. I don't get what you mean by PS, and there are multiple feats in DBS, I don't know why are you saying that there are 0 feats. Yeah because Hax > AP, let's say Hades is Low 2-C and he doesn't have that many hax, Goku's scalling chain would be bigger than him and thus he would have bigger AP.
PS = Power Scaling, keks. The chain scaling in DBS s really wanked and it's literally trash, I'm not saying that always this method will not work, but with cocobal soap this is used to wank their characters to ridiculous lvls, that "Goku is thousands if not millions above baseline" confirms what I'm saying XD. And what with you example of Hades??, there's nothing related with what I'm saying, keks Reminder that Hades solos fodder-sama xdxdxdxd , but if we assume that Hades doesn't have feats and just one o another scaling-statement, then he just gonna be a baseline fodder, like Goku xddddd. Besides that, Marisa just uses her Danmaku and the Elixir, plus her ability to steal techniques to steal the MUI, and her occult ball to solos kokum and the rest of cocobal bro

Also, I see that kokulibers are really prepotents when it's talked about Goku, keks
 
wOah.

I switch to inconclusive. immortality (type 5) vs thicc durability

unless someone argues that a baseline level being with no offensive hax ( e.g. infinite zamasu ) would be able to do jack against someone in the same ballpark as jiren then this stays incon
 
Yeah, I was talking about the type 5. I do not have the time to adress the other stuff at the moment.
 
Creeplord said:
Well above I already make an explanation about how Marisa can defeat Goku, feel free to mention it if you want :)
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Can you post the feat which makes her infinite speed?
 
JackJoyce said:
Creeplord said:
Well above I already make an explanation about how Marisa can defeat Goku, feel free to mention it if you want :)
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Can you post the feat which makes her infinite speed?
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Even if he could, it wouldn't count for this fight until it was accepted in a CRT, her profile say she's MFTL so that's what we have to use.
 
JackJoyce said:
Can you post the feat which makes her infinite speed?
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Basically scaling with Kaguya

"Manipulation of the Instantaneous: Through manipulation of the instantaneous, Kaguya can perceive and exist within different timelines, and she can manipulate the instantaneous so that things can happen in a literal instant. Watatsuki no Toyohime described the "instant" (also known as "Femto") as being what makes up time, the smallest unit of time measurable. She used it to compare it to the "Femto Ropes" she used on Yukari, being ropes made out of infinitely small strings all tied on themselves, making them unbreakable. This implies that an "instant" is also infinitely small. Kaguya can use said "instants" to construct the "Endless Corridor" by infinitely linking small gaps of space-time together, effectively creating an infinite corridor."
 
Dragomer said:
Even if he could, it wouldn't count for this fight until it was accepted in a CRT, her profile say she's MFTL so that's what we have to use.
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Even if you don't want to accept it, Marisa has abilities to defeat Goku and he wouldn't be able to harm her with the Ultramarine Elixir Orb
 
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