Thor, Thanos, and more should be Low 6-B

[Dino_W]

Yeah, but her AP would scale to the other Low 6-Bs anyway.

 

[Dino_W]

The Nidavellir calcs have a pretty wide margin of error. If the beam was even half a pixel thinner, the Thor tanking calc would be Low 6-B.

 

[DMB_1]

I agree with the others.

 

[Qawsedf234]

So again, there's no reason for Thor to be High 6-C. Both he and Hulk withstood blows from Thanos and a weaker iteration of the character took more hits. Everyone is Low 6-B.

Assuming CM withstood that missile at point blank range.

 

[KLOL506]

Awakened Thor was nearly killed by High 6-C energy (855 gigatons). But because that is extremely close to baseline Low 6-B, Thanos, who is far superior to Thor, is likely Low 6-B. Captain Marvel Tanked Low 6-B Kree missles (2.7 teratons), and is superior to Thanos.

Awakened Thor got nearly killed by it because he stayed there for more than a few minutes.

 

[Dino_W]

Everyone so far seems to agree with Low 6-B, so

Thor: Low 6-B, far higher with Stormbreaker | Low 6-B, higher with Stormbreaker and Mjolnir

Thanos: At least Low 6-B, likely higher. Higher with the Double-Bladed Helicopter Sword

Hulk: Low 6-B | Low 6-B

Iron Man: Low 6-B | Low 6-B

Hela: At least Low 6-B. Higher with weaponary

Surtur: At least Low 6-B, likely higher

Captain America: At least Low 6-B, higher with shield and hammer

Captain Marvel: At least Low 6-B, likely higher. Higher with Energy Absorption

Scarlet Witch: At least 9-B physically. At least Low 6-B, likely far higher with Psionics

Doctor Strange: 9-B physically, Low 6-B with Magic

Ebony Maw: 9-B physically. Low 6-B with Telekinesis, possibly higher

Rescue: Possibly Low 6-B

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Low 6-B Thor sounds correct.

 

[AKM sama]

I think it's already been agreed, but I also agree with the downgrades. Although I am a little iffy about the Kree missiles feat. The ones Carol flew through did not seem to cause explosions of the scale that has been calculated for them.

 

[Dino_W]

Something that's always confused me is that Kurse and Scarlet Witch are High 7-A despite all other top tier phase two characters being 7-A.

 

[Dino_W]

@AKM sama

Yeah, I'll see if ByAsura is available for a comment.

 

[ByAsura]

They are the same type of missile, or at least similar in appearance. The missiles on the left and middle are from the Kree's attack on Earth, the one the right was used against Torfa.





The missiles not creating explosions large enough to be seen from space could just be PIS. It wouldn't be a very good ending if everything within a 330 kilometer radius of Carol was destroyed.

 

[Dino_W]

That would be pretty funny tho

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Seems fine but I think Hela should get higher not only for her weapons but overall,she is superior to Thor.

 

[Dino_W]

Agreed

 

[ByAsura]

You'd have to prove that Hela is around 20% stronger than Thor, though.

 

[Dino_W]

Well she was completely unharmed by Thor's strongest attack, so there's that.

 

[ByAsura]

And he was swatting away her blades with ease. At least Large Island level seems fair, in my opinion.

Edit: She already is, so never mind.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Could Hela be a stone wall?

 

[Dino_W]

Wasn't Hogun also swatting away her blades? Which would mean that swatting away her blades is an 8-A feat.

Also it was mostly agreed that they should all be upgraded to Low 6-B, due to Thor's feat taking place over several minutes, as well as the wide margin of error of the calc, and Captain Marvel's feat. Though if you disagree feel free to voice your arguments, though you probably already know that you can, considering that you have been at this for far longer than I have, and thus are probably more knowledgeable than I am, and I am rambling while editing this comment so I'm gonna stop now.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Thor's strongest attack did nothing.

She overpowered him multiple times.

She grows stronger while in Asgard and was portrayed as being superior to Thor overall.You could even say that she overpowered Awakened Thor with less efforts than what Thanos did against weaker Fat Thor.That's how I see it,maybe I am wrong,don't remember all endgame details.

 

[Dino_W]

Could Hela be a stone wall?

Yeah she might be.

 

[ByAsura]

I'm not going to disagree with the Low 6-B stuff, but that scene where Hela easily overpowers Thor was in his base state, not the power that he later uses against Hela and Thanos.

Also, around this time Hela's blades had easily killed the Beserker, cut an off guard Thor, and cut right through the Rainbow Bridge.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Yeah,that wasn't Awakened Thor,forgot that.

 

[Antvasima]

So what have we decided here?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

To upgrade everyone to tier 2.

 

[Dinobot1996]

I agree with the Low 6-B scaling.

 

[SuperAPM]

When we getting our MCU Thor vs Raiden fight my dude's?

 

[Revan_Laha]

Hela was able to very much deflect hits from Awakened Thor

 

[Revan_Laha]

Also she crushed Mjolnir, the same Mjolnir which can harm Thanos

 

[Qawsedf234]

Mjolnir used against Thanos was different than the one used against Hela. It got amped since Fat Thor is much stronger than Pre-Awakened Thor.

 

[ByAsura]

Wouldn't it also make Hela, at her absolute weakest, stronger than Thanos? The guy who is consistently called the strongest in the universe.

 

[Antvasima]

We preferably need to get a bit organised and get more administrator input here.

 

[Gemmysaur]

Did the one who said he's the strongest in the universe even know of Hela, Surtur and the like?

 

[Dzhindzholia]

"Mjolnir got amped" I don't think so.We need proofs before doing such assumptions.

 

[Gemmysaur]

It grants the power of Thor, of which the latest to wield it is Fat Thor. It's not far off to assume it upgraded its store of Thor roids to match that of its latest Thor wielder.

 

[Dzhindzholia]

How would it affect the durability of the hammer itself?Magic powers OK, but not the dura of the hammer.

 

[ByAsura]

The first guy who said it was Korath, so I'm not sure, but the directors say the same in interviews apparently.

If Mjolnir doesn't get stronger, it wouldn't be a very good weapon. It's meant to focus Thor's powers. Also Hela, at her absolute weakest cannot be stronger than Thanos, as Awakened Thor, who could somewhat fight her, stood zero chance. Thanos even threatened to crush his skull.

 

[SuperAPM]

I don't think Mjolnir's durability matters much if it's only powering up due magic

 

[Gemmysaur]

Thanos threatened to power stone his skull, iirc.

Durability-wise, Mjolnir probably wouldn't get any higher, but it's not like Thanos tried to break it or Steve can hit above its durability... does he? How high is the hammer-shattering feat again compared to Mjolnir Cap?

Regarding the Russo's saying that Thanos is the strongest. They also said the latest Avengers movie's title is not something said in Infinity War... and behold, Avengers: Endgame.

 

[Dino_W]

At a minimum, Mjolnir's durability is (5.67e-8*1000000^4)*(4*pi*177.6765^2)/7.1631454094501*0.01911143011=6.0012583515553e+19 joules or 14.343 gigatons (Island level).

However, that doesn't take into account the fact that Uru is stored in ingot form, and thus would have higher surface area.