[MCU] Possible High 6-A Pre & Post-Awakening Upgrade

[Lacku]

I was recommended by @Dalesean027 to make a CRT about this calc. as it has been looked at by a few calc. members and no concrete conclusion has been made on it yet:

Thor shatters a continental shelf and shakes Jotunheim (Shockwave Edition)

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There was an attempt to reject it in the comments since the feat comes from the Thor (2011) novelisation but that was disproven. Since then no real progress on whether or not the calculation is correct has been made. If it is correct every character that scales to Pre-Awakening Thor would be upgraded to High 6-A. By extension every character that scales to or above Post-Awakening Thor would now be High 6-A, however, The Marvels may have given us an actual value for how high into the tier they are. I've spoiler-tagged it below in case anybody hasn't seen the movie or is interested in doing so.

Spoiler: Spoilers for The Marvels

In The Marvels, Captain Marvel restarts Hala's sun, we hoped for the feat to be 4-C but in the spoiler discussion thread it's been pointed out that it's more likely High 6-A, still, this would put Carol's AP at 91.921606118546847597 Petatons (Base energy of the sun) compared to Pre-Awakening characters either 0.95, 8 or 9 Petatons. Due to a recent Captain Marvel CRT, Binary Carol on the scaling chain is now below Thanos' full power and is now more on the level of (or even below which I don't agree with) Mark 80 Iron Man, Thor, Worthy Cap, etc. This would put most Post-Awakening characters at >91.921606118546847597 Petatons.

TL;DR: Pre-Awakening character would now scale to either 0.95, 8 or 9 Petatons if the calc. above is accepted and Post-Awakening characters would either scale to or above 91.921606118546847597 Petatons thanks to Captain Marvel.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Neutral on the Jotunheim calc. Agree with Carol's feat

I would bring up my 5-C scaling, but I have no confidence in that getting accepted

 

[Lacku]

I would bring up my 5-C scaling, but I have no confidence in that getting accepted

Unless it's like really really concrete I'd save it for a CRT after this one.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I would bring up my 5-C scaling, but I have no confidence in that getting accepted

Stormbreaker? Hadron Enforcer? Howard the Duck?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Mostly upscaling from the Hadron Enforcer

Unless it's like really really concrete I'd save it for a CRT after this one.

Fair

I previously brought this up as a joke, but I wonder if another feat on that level could be Thor tanking the explosion of the Rainbow Bridge, which was previously brought up to be a conduit of Bifrost energy that powers and channels it

 

[Lacku]

Fair

I previously brought this up as a joke, but I wonder if another feat on that level could be Thor tanking the explosion of the Rainbow Bridge, which was previously brought up to be a conduit of Bifrost energy that powers and channels it

Tbf since Loki tanked the same energy that would make him High 6-A too

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I think we should hold off on the carol star feat rating until it’s actually calced and evaluated. Everything else is fine

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Tbf since Loki tanked the same energy that would make him High 6-A too

It's a clear outlier for Loki, but Thor at least has a potential supporting calc

Also, he wasn't at the point-blank center of the explosion like Thor, which might knock the feat down a few tiers

 

[Lacku]

It's a clear outlier for Loki, but Thor at least has a potential supporting calc

Also, he wasn't at the point-blank center of the explosion like Thor, which might knock the feat down a few tiers

Honestly, it might be worth recalcing the Bifrost Explosion with its High 6-A energy in mind as it might be a good upgrade for Asgardians bringing them closer to characters like Ronan and the GotG.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

It's a clear outlier for Loki, but Thor at least has a potential supporting calc

Also, he wasn't at the point-blank center of the explosion like Thor, which might knock the feat down a few tiers

Thor still shattered the rainbow bridge the contained the bifrosts power

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Also, he wasn't at the point-blank center of the explosion like Thor, which might knock the feat down a few tiers

Honestly, it might be worth recalcing the Bifrost Explosion with its High 6-A energy in mind as it might be a good upgrade for Asgardians bringing them closer to characters like Ronan and the GotG.

I tried a rough calc. Unless we want Loki in the Petatons range, the feat is still an outlier for him

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Unless we get rid of tier 7 hulk

 

[Qawsedf234]

Neutral on the Jotunheim calc.

All the images are gone so most of the assumptions currently have no backing.

In addition the calcs high end assumptions are weird.

The 900 Teratons I can get (still a massive high end though) but the 9 Petatons is something not at all backed by the movie to my recollection.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

All the images are gone so most of the assumptions currently have no backing.

I noticed that a lot of the images provided by @RoTt35 are gone, so I dunno what happened

I have some of them saved on my phone

The 900 Teratons I can get (still a massive high end though)

You mean the 6-A part of the above calc, because I'm not sure what you are referring to? If so, cool

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Pretty sure these are the messing images

Spoiler

 

[Dinobot1996]

I'm not sure how much support it gives, but here's a director's commentary statement on the Jotunheim feat that I posted in the main thread a few months back for good measure:

 

[Qawsedf234]

You mean the 6-A part of the above calc, because I'm not sure what you are referring to?

Yeah, 0.9 Petatons is 900 Teratons.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Pretty sure these are the messing images

Spoiler

Yeah, that's pretty much it

I'm not sure how much support it gives, but here's a director's commentary statement on the Jotunheim feat that I posted in the main thread a few months back for good measure:

Right, that too

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Yeah, 0.9 Petatons is 900 Teratons.

I figured. I was a bit confused because it was a little bit more than 900 Teratons/0.9 Petatons

0.9565487555 Petatons of TNT

 

[Lonkitt]

Following. I wanna see more calc member input

 

[Dalesean027]

I'll @those who commented and a couple more

@KLOL506 @M3X_2.0 @Jasonsith
@CloverDragon03 @SeijiSetto

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah I don't think we should be using explosive overpressure shockwave here. The old calc was perfectly fine.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

If the calc is unusable, the only things left to discuss are the sun feat and maybe Bifrost scaling if we really want to go there

 

[KingTempest]

This not an outlier?

 

[KLOL506]

This not an outlier?

The Jotunheim feat? Nah. Not an outlier. Next best thing is Sokovia busting, which is around the High 6-C mark.

 

[M3X_2.0]

This not an outlier?

yeah it seems a big outlier

 

[KingTempest]

Every time I see a Thor upgrade he skips like 3 tiers per feat with no supports

High 7-A to High 6-C, High 6-C to High 6-A, then he was High 6-C to 5-A

with no supports whatsoever

 

[KLOL506]

yeah it seems a big outlier

Which one

 

[M3X_2.0]

Which one

Thor one

 

[KLOL506]

Thor one

We already went down that road too many a time (Even with the current 6B value we're using) so I won't bother with that here.

If the calc is unusable, the only things left to discuss are the sun feat and maybe Bifrost scaling if we really want to go there

Sun feat I'd keep for the Marvels, but don't count me in on that, I ain't watching that film.

Bifrost scaling is a massive no-no for me even now.

 

[M3X_2.0]

We already went down that road too many a time so I won't bother with that here.

Sure, but at the same time the thread won't go through.

 

[KLOL506]

Sure, but at the same time the thread won't go through.

I suppose. Marvels stuff will stick with Marvels in its own thread.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Given that this alternate calc is bunk, this CRT should be closed and anything/everything related to The Marvels should be discussed and consolidated into its own CRT, including the sun feat

 

[Excellence616]

I suppose. Marvels stuff will stick with Marvels in its own thread.

I agree with this