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Tom Brevoort has never written a single Thor, Silver Surfer or Gladiator comic book in his life, so he has no authority to speak about these charactersi refer to the comicvine thread that exists solely to list scans of thor being outsped by subsonics, and i refer to one of the authors saying that travel speed =/= combat speed and that thor isn't a speedster so he gets blitzed by cheetahs
I'm pretty sure in the same thread some of the people confirmed this to not be the case for the Herald tiers when they are at their peak, especially for Silver Surfer, who has been noted to be able to perform sick u-turns and backflips at MFTL+ speed.So while I'm here
Wouldn't all of our pages need massive modifications because we're currently using movement speed as our primary justifications and we've now changed guidelines on this to split them unless we have proof?
Meaning everyone might lose MFTL+ combat speed
See here. We can scale him and other herald level characters from the Hulk's Massively Hypersonic combat speed when holding back on Earth.Maybe we should do something similar to the High 6-C held back tiers, and insert "Massively Hypersonic combat speed while holding back on Earth" or somesuch?
I mostly agree.
The problem is that Marvel's editorial department has never tried to maintain consistency regarding comparative speed levels, so in practice Spider-Man is usually treated as faster than Thor in terms of combat speed, whereas the Hulk and even the Juggernaut are able to keep up with him. That makes it hard to determine who should scale or not.
Maybe we should do something similar to the High 6-C held back tiers, and insert "Massively Hypersonic combat speed while holding back on Earth" or somesuch?
See here. We can scale him and other herald level characters from the Hulk's Massively Hypersonic combat speed when holding back on Earth.
@Zensum @C2_of_Omegon @Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @SuperAPM @Firestorm808 @EmperorRorepme @Newendigo @Ehnkr2beboh @Tllmbrg @Deagonx @Elizio33 @LordTracer @The_Impress @Planck69Well, I think that it is far more common that they hold back their speed and not their power (at least against an angry Hulk and full power Juggernaut).
Anyway, given the sheer inconsistency of these characters, I think that "holding back"/lower border statistics are unfortunately necessary.
Idk what the first thing was, I added the Odin thing, and on the last I added it to Loki but Strange's profile is locked. Somebody needs to add a similar text.So far we have now:
- Silver Surfer and Gladiator feats which scale to Herald level characters
- Odin gets a higher attack speed
- Characters like Doctor Strange and Loki get a higher rating with their Astral Projections/Spirit Forms
I can unlock the profile, since I wouldn't know what to write.Somebody needs to add a similar text.
For every speed tier that's listed, we need to add proper justification and that means we need to link it to other characters most of the time. And those characters are often connected to others. Now we just have multiple scaling chains that goes on forever and ever.
For example, character a fought b, so character a will be getting "Tier X, comparable to ;". Character b scales off character c for his random tier, and so on. But wait, why are we choosing just one of his speed rather than the other? Or why are we giving the new character three different speed tiers?
Another problem is, we are also sticking to the already existing scaling chain, which is where the problem began in the first place.
Tl;Dr I am against slapping multiple speed tiers on every page in this long scaling chain. It will look messy and ugly. Is their current rating any better? Obviously not. But this is not the solution we should be going for.
Okay. Do you have any other suggestions for a solution then?
@Confluctor @The_ImpressNo, but I am thinking about it
If the others agree, then sure.Yes. That is true.
Should we close this thread then?