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Thor and Marvel Heavy hitters (4-B and above) speed revision
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Tom Brevoort has never written a single Thor, Silver Surfer or Gladiator comic book in his life, so he has no authority to speak about these characters
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So while I'm here
Wouldn't all of our pages need massive modifications because we're currently using movement speed as our primary justifications and we've now changed guidelines on this to split them unless we have proof?
Meaning everyone might lose MFTL+ combat speed
Wouldn't all of our pages need massive modifications because we're currently using movement speed as our primary justifications and we've now changed guidelines on this to split them unless we have proof?
Meaning everyone might lose MFTL+ combat speed
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Surfer needs to retain his. Thor will lose it probably.
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But if Surfer retains his, shouldn't also Thor since he fought him a few times. Not to mention he can catch his Mjolnir since he throws it and it can fly at MFTL when doing so?
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Imo, he should. Most herald tiers can fight and move at fast speeds.
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I'm pretty sure in the same thread some of the people confirmed this to not be the case for the Herald tiers when they are at their peak, especially for Silver Surfer, who has been noted to be able to perform sick u-turns and backflips at MFTL+ speed.
They should be MFTL+ all around only when going all out.
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Since Thor has shown to be capable at fighting at mftl+ speeds, we don't need a lower tier. Instead we can just say "MFTL+ combat/reaction at peak". This way, we consider the low ones too.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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I mostly agree.
The problem is that Marvel's editorial department has never tried to maintain consistency regarding comparative speed levels, so in practice Spider-Man is usually treated as faster than Thor in terms of combat speed, whereas the Hulk and even the Juggernaut are able to keep up with him. That makes it hard to determine who should scale or not.
Maybe we should do something similar to the High 6-C held back tiers, and insert "Massively Hypersonic combat speed while holding back on Earth" or somesuch?
The problem is that Marvel's editorial department has never tried to maintain consistency regarding comparative speed levels, so in practice Spider-Man is usually treated as faster than Thor in terms of combat speed, whereas the Hulk and even the Juggernaut are able to keep up with him. That makes it hard to determine who should scale or not.
Maybe we should do something similar to the High 6-C held back tiers, and insert "Massively Hypersonic combat speed while holding back on Earth" or somesuch?
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Yeah that's a problem unfortunately. But since someone like Thor has such varying speed feats, there is just no simple way of listing them all.
Maybe we can try to decipher the character's (who is scaling off Thor) other speed feats and take into account the mindset of Thor. Idk this is a hard issue
Maybe we can try to decipher the character's (who is scaling off Thor) other speed feats and take into account the mindset of Thor. Idk this is a hard issue
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The most reliable yet hardest method is probably taking all the highs, lows, mediums and finding a mean and then using that... But that would take years to implement
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See here. We can scale him and other herald level characters from the Hulk's Massively Hypersonic combat speed when holding back on Earth.
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But that still causes a lot of issues for the scaling of the verse, unfortunately. Because there are cases where they hold back their strength, but not their speed. (I will see if I can find some examples)
Thor and hulk, both blessing and a curse to the verse
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Well, I think that it is far more common that they hold back their speed and not their power (at least against an angry Hulk and full power Juggernaut).
Anyway, given the sheer inconsistency of these characters, I think that "holding back"/lower border statistics are unfortunately necessary.
Anyway, given the sheer inconsistency of these characters, I think that "holding back"/lower border statistics are unfortunately necessary.
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I would appreciate your input regarding this.
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So for guys like Sentry, Silver Surfer, Hulk and Thor it would be
Varies. At least Massively Hypersonic to Massively Hypersonic+, up to MFTL+ at peak.
Should probably add this to DC characters in the future too since they suffer the same problems I would believe.
Varies. At least Massively Hypersonic to Massively Hypersonic+, up to MFTL+ at peak.
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The problem with this imo is that too many characters will be getting too many speed keys with no in-verse explaination/mechanism.
Sure it works for sentry since he can be far slower than this (his human forms gets a bit complicated) (and hulk too), but for others... eh idk.
Sure it works for sentry since he can be far slower than this (his human forms gets a bit complicated) (and hulk too), but for others... eh idk.
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We are doing the same thing, but with even bigger scaling chain now. And pretty messy too. It's get confusing.
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For every speed tier that's listed, we need to add proper justification and that means we need to link it to other characters most of the time. And those characters are often connected to others. Now we just have multiple scaling chains that goes on forever and ever.
For example, character a fought b, so character a will be getting "Tier X, comparable to ;". Character b scales off character c for his random tier, and so on. But wait, why are we choosing just one of his speed rather than the other? Or why are we giving the new character three different speed tiers?
Another problem is, we are also sticking to the already existing scaling chain, which is where the problem began in the first place.
Tl;Dr I am against slapping multiple speed tiers on every page in this long scaling chain. It will look messy and ugly. Is their current rating any better? Obviously not. But this is not the solution we should be going for.
For example, character a fought b, so character a will be getting "Tier X, comparable to ;". Character b scales off character c for his random tier, and so on. But wait, why are we choosing just one of his speed rather than the other? Or why are we giving the new character three different speed tiers?
Another problem is, we are also sticking to the already existing scaling chain, which is where the problem began in the first place.
Tl;Dr I am against slapping multiple speed tiers on every page in this long scaling chain. It will look messy and ugly. Is their current rating any better? Obviously not. But this is not the solution we should be going for.
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No, but I am thinking about it
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So,
Idk what the first thing was, I added the Odin thing, and on the last I added it to Loki but Strange's profile is locked. Somebody needs to add a similar text.
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I can unlock the profile, since I wouldn't know what to write.
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I added the text btw:
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Doctor Strange (Marvel Comics)
Stephen Vincent Strange is the Sorcerer Supreme of the Earth Dimension. Once a materialistic and greedy neurosurgeon, Strange's medical career was left in pieces after a debilitating car accident which severely damaged the nerves of his hands and made him unable to ever conduct an operation...
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Nothing that would work, unfortunately
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I mean thread's just underprepared, and honestly for revisions this big we shouldn't be expected as supporters, to come up with solutions this quick.
We'll have to put this on the backburner until someone's willing to hyperfocus on this, it's basically impossible for us to have any useful input, unless we happened to know the exact issue and were researching prior.
We'll have to put this on the backburner until someone's willing to hyperfocus on this, it's basically impossible for us to have any useful input, unless we happened to know the exact issue and were researching prior.
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If the others agree, then sure.
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