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Thor and Marvel Heavy hitters (4-B and above) speed revision
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what about the dozens of anti-feats for both thor and other characters on his level? especially thor there are like 30 scans of him being blitzed by light speed or lower characters
one of the authors even said that travel speed =/= reaction speed, so shouldn't Thor be MFTL+ travel speed, Subsonic reactions?
one of the authors even said that travel speed =/= reaction speed, so shouldn't Thor be MFTL+ travel speed, Subsonic reactions?
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perhaps you could do as I suggest, or list them as Unknown. Either way, I'm just as lost as you are.
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i refer to the comicvine thread that exists solely to list scans of thor being outsped by subsonics, and i refer to one of the authors saying that travel speed =/= combat speed and that thor isn't a speedster so he gets blitzed by cheetahs
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His fight against Death Seed Sentry was well over FTL. One of the recent instances I can recall.
But Thor often fights slower individuals (like Namor) and tries to fight stop them or some crap without using his speed at maximum.
But Thor often fights slower individuals (like Namor) and tries to fight stop them or some crap without using his speed at maximum.
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yes it's real
comicvine.gamespot.com
67 scans. 67 scans showing Thor is subsonic. Or whatever speed tier marvel street tiers are.
67 scans prove Thor have street level combat speed - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine
Street level speed aint slow but it aint top shelf either. 2 much low balling n high ballin happen in dis site. Look at how he be fihgtin on a consist
comicvine.gamespot.com
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Btw I disagree with slapping unknown ratings on everyone. Its just dumb looking imo.
Varied characters can get varied speed. And we can use their lowest and highest. Thor... That's harder to do. But I am fine with extremely low combat speed
Varied characters can get varied speed. And we can use their lowest and highest. Thor... That's harder to do. But I am fine with extremely low combat speed
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Ah yes. Yes, of course. A gazillion out of context feats (+surprise attacks) + PIS (White Tiger) to justify subsonic Thor.yes it's real
67 scans. 67 scans showing Thor is subsonic. Or whatever speed tier marvel street tiers are.67 scans prove Thor have street level combat speed - Gen. Discussion - Comic Vine
Street level speed aint slow but it aint top shelf either. 2 much low balling n high ballin happen in dis site. Look at how he be fihgtin on a consist
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I mean, Marvel is very inconsistent- but then there are consistent characters amongst the rubble. Maybe we can stick to solid speed tiers for them, and Unknown for the rest. I agree with the varied speed and Thor having low combat speed.
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Didn't we already have this a long time ago with everyone having MHS combat speed and MFTL+ flight speed?
And then we got rid of those along with Marvel Handbook statements like comparing Ultron to Iron Man?
And yeah these feats seem like downplay to hell and back. You can probably do the exact same to DC characters as well.
And then we got rid of those along with Marvel Handbook statements like comparing Ultron to Iron Man?
And yeah these feats seem like downplay to hell and back. You can probably do the exact same to DC characters as well.
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if thor was FTL or MFTL or MFTL+ or even Light speed in combat feats, then the instant he could FEEL THE ATTACK WITH HIS NERVES he would have slapped them into gibs if they're only 9-C
Unless you're saying that Thor is either dumb or street tiers should be upgraded to FTL/MFTL/MFTL+/Light speede
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Inconsistent doesn't cut it tho... If we are going to ignore high showings because "PIS + Outlier" we need to do the same with low showings. We can clearly see what is PIS and what isn't.
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Not sure, but everyone getting the same rating is wrong too... Cause we are trading one wrong for another.
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Considering he holds back a lot wouldn't that mean he does the same with his speed?
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Again, literally 60 out of thousands of feats. Some of them are clear PIS. Angela isn't anti feat. Editor's words means jack shit here. Considering its the same editor who constantly contradicts the canon.
Also not being able to evade Zeus isn't an anti feat. There are anti feats, yes, but a lot are just PIS. Look at the Daredevil one.
Also wasn't the Cap one a DEPOWERED Thor?
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Holding back dura and AP is one thing. But speed? How do you lose the ability to perceive things at your natural rate just by holding back?
If I were to use Occams Razor (I might be using this wrong, please tell me if I am), then I would say the simplest solution is to divide Thor's combat and travel speed. And other characters like him.
62 low show feats, can we see 63 high speed feats for thor?
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thor has never been portrayed as particularly fast in comparison to slower characters. I think. I will change my mind if you show me scans of Thor speedblitzing fodder and things like that that outnumber the low showings (In messages).
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Being unaware? PIS? Knowing the attack will hit but choosing not to do anything because he's afraid if he makes a kneejerk reaction he'll kill the guy by accident? Take your pick.
Also your method doesn't seem any better to be honest.
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Then well /shrug
I guess there's no clearcut answer.
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I could could more in-depth about Thor's speed and the problems with that thread, but if you're trying to make a downgrade from MFTL+ to Subsonic, you're gonna need to cite your scans first.
I could add the calcs to the pages.
They're needed on the Surfer, Gladiator and Odin pages, right?
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I do not remember so well. My apologies.
Please write the EXACTLY WORDED titles for all the pages that you need unlocked here after the above issue has been verified.
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gonna take some time i hope you're ok with that.
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send the scan in messages. currently i'm busy working on a book for a homebrew campaign so I can't spend hours on finding Thor speed feats and combing through pages of comic books using Reverse Image Search OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I do not have the time or will.
if you send the scan maybe I'll be convinced.
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actually i looked it up you're right. well now I'm convinced. MFTL+ Thor stays.
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Thor has same type of feats where he operated his Asgardian Ship that could travel galaxies as a blur. Being operating that ship his action needs to be very precise and fast enough to act, turn, diverge or evade a planetoid void which recounts for his action-reaction speed
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Well, thank you very much I didn't know about this thread because I joined very recently. But apart from that the example used was for stars having been seen from million of light-years away with travelling through some 1,00,0000 light speed but is that still applicable when you are crossing galaxies as a blur cause in that case you speed will be much greater than that. I guess in that case the reaction speed will be much greater than MHS+ that's it.
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So about this...
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We should also add it to the main Marvel page to show where the Herald tier characters scale to.
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