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    Mashymre Downgrade

    Hello everyone, I'll get to the point quickly. As you know, Mashymre, the creator of Mashima Cosmology, is currently at Low 1-C on the wiki, so how accurate is it to give this rating? It's probably Low 1-C now even though the character is wrong because the profile is pretty old and no one cares...
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    Can you take a look at this topic?
    XDragnoir
    So, i didn't find anything about Gabriel being at the level of Throwing Hammer, and the way it is worded in the profile really makes me think there isn't a statement saying it.

    What do you think would be the best thing to do here? Downgrade everyone to 6C (Gabriel feat of vaporizing a mountain)?
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    1 Mjölnir can generate enough lightning element power to use the Throwing Hammer spell which requires an Halo arc as an Idol for activation.
    2 Mjölnir is a power source and generator for Lightning God Thor.
    3 Lightning God Thor draws from Mjölnir's lightning element power to increase the power of his Arc Fusion Blade spell.
    4 Lightning God Thor can channel the H6-C lightning element power used in the Throwing Hammer spell for his Arc Fusion Blade spell
    That's my opinion on this for right now.

    The Gabriel analogy doesn't work because we are simply talking about general elemental power. Person X who can use Gabriel's water element power would be able to use Gabriel level water and ice element magic as both characters have the same/equal source of power

    Imagine Breaker wasn't Holy Right's power source. Imagine Breaker isn't a power source. That's all i'll say on this, perhaps it would be more helpful for you to message Lazy Hunter about the Mjölnir related questions since he added it to the profile and DT because he made the calc?
    XDragnoir
    XDragnoir
    I mean, did we actually see Thor channeling the power of Mjolnir while it was spinning? Or did someone say that his Arc Fusion Blades matched Throwing Hammer's power? If Kamachi really wanted them to be at TH's level he would have said it, but anyway since Silvia said his 20m blades were at her level i guess we can take his 20m blades as 7A and 2km blades as H6C, i would be fine with that, but then Silvia would be downgraded to "at least 7A" since there is no proof she would match the blades' power at 2km

    Acqua literally can't absorb WWIII Gabriel entire Telesma, even tho he is aligned with the 5B Gabriel, iirc he also can't use the Pure Water Gabriel uses for it's attacks, or cause the 1000km explosion, Rensa not being 5B with Accel's powers is also an example, but this isn't just a Toaru thing, the wiki literally does not accept tiers via a power source unless there is more to it, and in this case "more to it" would be a quote saying they were equals in power (not equal to Mjolnir, but to TH).

    It was his power source, we literally have quotes saying it was a spiritual item, he was using IB as a piece to complete his power and a medium to release the total power of the HR, i can give you all these quotes if you want, it is as direct a power source as you can get.

    Anyway, i don't think Mjolnir/Thor is the main issue, sure i disagree with the Blades scaling to TH just because it's a power source, the real problem IMO is with Gabriel scaling to them totally out of nowhere.
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    I've explained my opinion on the Thor/Mjölnir topic as best I can. I'd go check with DT and Lazy next.

    I don't see the relevance of the Acqua or Rensa examples. Acqua isn't using a connection support spell to directly channel energy from Archangel Gabriel or the Son of God. Both of which are beings whose main purpose isn't to be a battery or generator for Acqua so I don't see the correlation. The Rensa example is even further removed, she's just an output point for Esper power. She would be 5B for the same reason Base (Pre-Headshot) is 5B retroactively, but that's a conversation to be had on the Accelerator CRT if that's ever made.

    Imagine Breaker was used as a purification tool spiritual item. Recall that Fiamma's issue was he wasn't "pure" enough to use 100% of The Holy Right. Imagine Breaker is not a power source neither was it used as one, it doesn't produce power.
    Hello, I have another question about Pennywise.

    We already know that he can Shapeshift in things that aren't physically possible, but, could he gain the power and abilities of one being (let's say Darkrai the Pokémon, for example) by Shapeshifting into them?, as he gains the properties of the forms he takes and is bound by it's rules.
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    Probably not as strong, but if a person feared that Pokémon enough for Pennywise to choose to become it than sure.
    Hello, I have a question about Pennywise.

    With which avatars is he High-7-A?.
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    God900
    Oh, so only the Spider form is the High 7-A avatar or there are more?.

    Anyway, I wonder if Pennywise could destroy a mountain with sheer strenght.
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